Train Simulator 2021

[365 Networker]

Looking forward to the enhanced Meridian pack (I'm guessing this will also include the Hull Trains Pioneer units). Hopefully a Voyager enhancement pack will follow soon.

 

[Rail Quest]

Hopefully a Voyager enhancement pack will follow soon.

I'm not entirely sure what's going to happen on this one. Imbue announced an all new Voyager pack in collaboration with ATS a few months back. Perhaps AP will therefore wait for that to release. Either that or they go ahead and enhance the JT model regardless and have no association with the ATS products. Personally, I'd prefer this as the quality of AP enhanced trains generally seems to exceed that of ATS stock packs (in my experience at least).

 

[LUYMun]

I'm not entirely sure what's going to happen on this one. Imbue announced an all new Voyager pack in collaboration with ATS a few months back. Perhaps AP will therefore wait for that to release. Either that or they go ahead and enhance the JT model regardless and have no association with the ATS products.

Had you read the newsletter, that is exactly what AP is doing.

 

[Rail Quest]

Had you read the newsletter, that is exactly what AP is doing.

I was commenting specifically on the Voyager, not the Meridian. The Newsletter did not reference any plans they had for a Voyager/Super Voyager EP, hence my speculations.

 

[LUYMun]

Armstrong Powerhouse Class 222 Enhancement Pack now out: https://www.armstrongpowerhouse.com/class_222_enhancement_pack

Class 222 Enhancement Pack
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What is included?

6 liveries made from scratch to a higher resolution with better colours/proportions

Hull Trains & Midland Mainline nameplates

Higher quality East Midlands Trains 222011 & 222017 decals. Plus 222015 nameplate.

Improved cab visuals

Detailed internal & external audio

Accurate traction & braking physics

Simple NRN & GSM-R radios

Wheelslip & wheelslide simulation

Dynamic exhaust effects

Cold start

3 realistic scenarios for the AP MML: London to Bedford Enhancement Pack route

And much more!

Please note, this pack only applies to the liveries included in this pack. Also, this pack is NOT compatible with any external controllers such as the XBOX or RailDriver.

 

[365 Networker]

I'm not entirely sure what's going to happen on this one. Imbue announced an all new Voyager pack in collaboration with ATS a few months back. Perhaps AP will therefore wait for that to release. Either that or they go ahead and enhance the JT model regardless and have no association with the ATS products. Personally, I'd prefer this as the quality of AP enhanced trains generally seems to exceed that of ATS stock packs (in my experience at least).

AP Have now confirmed a Voyager EP:-

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Arriva CrossCountry 222034 skirts Edinburgh Airport with the late running 1S43 06:28 Penzance - Aberdeen on a stormy evening. Date: 6th June 2012.
From our forthcoming Class 220/221 Enhancement Pack.

I'm very much looking forward to this one.

 

[Rail Quest]

AP Have now confirmed a Voyager EP:-

Excellent, I'm very happy with this! I have a feeling the devs at Imbue and ATS may not be

 

[FrodshamJnct]

Excellent, I'm very happy with this! I have a feeling the devs at Imbue and ATS may not be

Is the ATS one going to be a brand new model? Will be interesting to see how it pans out. If it is it'll probally cost £45 and need updating within a couple of days

 

[Rail Quest]

Is the ATS one going to be a brand new model? Will be interesting to see how it pans out. If it is it'll probally cost £45 and need updating within a couple of days

Yes, I imagine it's a new model. Presuming Imbue/ATS release the pack, there'll be a lot of pros and cons between that and the AP EP. Sounds and Physics of the AP version will probably be better, whereas model/texture quality and scripting will probably be better on the Imbue/ATS version. Things like the Voyager's TMS probably won't be featured on the AP version, based on the 222, but the ATS one will probably have a fully fledged implementation, based on the FLIRT.

One thing is for certain: I will very likely get the AP EP and not purchase the Imbue/ATS pack, where I might have done so, had this EP not materialised. It'll be interesting to see how many others are in this camp.

 

[FrodshamJnct]

Yes, I imagine it's a new model. Presuming Imbue/ATS release the pack, there'll be a lot of pros and cons between that and the AP EP. Sounds and Physics of the AP version will probably be better, whereas model/texture quality and scripting will probably be better on the Imbue/ATS version. Things like the Voyager's TMS probably won't be featured on the AP version, based on the 222, but the ATS one will probably have a fully fledged implementation, based on the FLIRT.

One thing is for certain: I will very likely get the AP EP and not purchase the Imbue/ATS pack, where I might have done so, had this EP not materialised. It'll be interesting to see how many others are in this camp.

I too am in that camp, given the consistent quality of AP products.

 

[CR165022]

So the 220/221 EP manual is out, and every single livery 221101 had hasn't been included, yet 221115s Bombardier livery has been included. I don't think the Ex Avanti by itself is included either, only with the XC branding on top of it.

 

[FrodshamJnct]

So the 220/221 EP manual is out, and every single livery 221101 had hasn't been included, yet 221115s Bombardier livery has been included. I don't think the Ex Avanti by itself is included either, only with the XC branding on top of it.

Sure someone will do a reskin for it.

 

[AlistairCowell]

So the 220/221 EP manual is out, and every single livery 221101 had hasn't been included, yet 221115s Bombardier livery has been included. I don't think the Ex Avanti by itself is included either, only with the XC branding on top of it.

I think this is to do AP not being able to licence the 'Virgin' logo, it is surely a protected logo.
All of the stock in VT livery within Armstrong Powerhouse don't have that such logo.

 

[CR165022]

I think this is to do AP not being able to licence the 'Virgin' logo, it is surely a protected logo.
All of the stock in VT livery within Armstrong Powerhouse don't have that such logo.

I understand the silk livery not being done, but the plain white and then the white with the Avanti blue ends surely wouldn't fall under that umbrella too?

 

[Rail Quest]

I think this is to do AP not being able to licence the 'Virgin' logo, it is surely a protected logo.
All of the stock in VT livery within Armstrong Powerhouse don't have that such logo.

I understand the silk livery not being done, but the plain white and then the white with the Avanti blue ends surely wouldn't fall under that umbrella too?

Yeah, the Avanti plain white livery is a very bizarre omission. And I don't understand why the Silk Virgin one couldn't be done without a logo, but the standard Virgin livery could, the latter of which is far more associated with Virgin branding. Armstrong Powerhouse's inconsistency with including/excluding specific features and liveries strikes again.

At least both should be easy enough for a freeware dev to do in the near future, but it's annoying neither has been included.

 

[FrodshamJnct]

In other news, ATS have released the Bittern Line this evening.

 

[brad465]

I've been having issues with the Class 465/466 Enhancement Packs from AP recently, where using 465s seems to have impeded acceleration and struggles to get above 50mph. 466s on their own don't seem to be impacted, and the running sounds I think are an improvement, however the latest update to the files (24/03/26) hasn't fixed this issue from the previous update. Is anyone else having this?

 

[365 Networker]

I've been having issues with the Class 465/466 Enhancement Packs from AP recently, where using 465s seems to have impeded acceleration and struggles to get above 50mph. 466s on their own don't seem to be impacted, and the running sounds I think are an improvement, however the latest update to the files (24/03/26) hasn't fixed this issue from the previous update. Is anyone else having this?

Quite a few have noticed this - it seems the acceleration changed after the gradient physics correction patch. I believe on 465s, acceleration tends to drop off above around 65mph and they can struggle to reach 75. I do find it slightly odd though that it takes around 1 minute 30 seconds to just about reach 60 mph on a slight downhill gradient. No other AP packs seem to have this issue, but perhaps this is what the 465s are like? It would be great if any 465 drivers are able to confirm how they accelerate.

 

[hexagon789]

Quite a few have noticed this - it seems the acceleration changed after the gradient physics correction patch. I believe on 465s, acceleration tends to drop off above around 65mph and they can struggle to reach 75. I do find it slightly odd though that it takes around 1 minute 30 seconds to just about reach 60 mph on a slight downhill gradient. No other AP packs seem to have this issue, but perhaps this is what the 465s are like? It would be great if any 465 drivers are able to confirm how they accelerate.

The 0-60 articles in Rail Express list 465s as 69s to reach 60mph and noted as "fastest 3rd rail EMU".

 

[365 Networker]

The 0-60 articles in Rail Express list 465s as 69s to reach 60mph and noted as "fastest 3rd rail EMU".

That does seem to suggest the current acceleration physics in the AP pack are at least slightly slower than reality.

 

[hexagon789]

That does seem to suggest the current acceleration physics in the AP pack are at least slightly slower than reality.

I suppose it depends what sort of gradients are involved.

Perhaps a "quick drive" test over a dead level stretch.

Another thought though - don't certain AP packs have simulated performance reduction?

I.e. as per reality, you might get a weak unit or a strong unit? Just another wee thought anyway.

 

[365 Networker]

I suppose it depends what sort of gradients are involved.

Perhaps a "quick drive" test over a dead level stretch.

Another thought though - don't certain AP packs have simulated performance reduction?

I.e. as per reality, you might get a weak unit or a strong unit? Just another wee thought anyway.

I do agree that performance varies on each unit in real life, however I don't think any of the AP networker packs have the variable performance feature (although it would be nice if they did). The 317, 319, HST, the sprinters and a few other more recent packs do have that feature. I suppose it is possible though that AP based the acceleration characteristics on one of the slower units.

 

[Class73Electro]

Bit of a random question, but has anyone heard of a 93 for Train Sim yet?

 

[brad465]

Quite a few have noticed this - it seems the acceleration changed after the gradient physics correction patch. I believe on 465s, acceleration tends to drop off above around 65mph and they can struggle to reach 75. I do find it slightly odd though that it takes around 1 minute 30 seconds to just about reach 60 mph on a slight downhill gradient. No other AP packs seem to have this issue, but perhaps this is what the 465s are like? It would be great if any 465 drivers are able to confirm how they accelerate.

The 0-60 articles in Rail Express list 465s as 69s to reach 60mph and noted as "fastest 3rd rail EMU".

They definitely have no trouble reaching 60 in real life; there are stations a few minutes apart on the metro lines where they can get to 60mph. This is definitely not what I'm experiencing in the game however. One thing I also remember was they did previously easily exceed 75mph in the game before these updates, so I think they were right to fix that aspect, but seem to have overdone it.

 

[Flange Squeal]

So the 220/221 EP manual is out

Where and how does one find this?

 

[FrodshamJnct]

Where and how does one find this?

https://www.armstrongpowerhouse.com/free_download/manuals/APC220EP_Manual.pdf?fbclid=IwdGRjcAQ1_QJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xNzM4NDc2NDI2NzAzNzAAAR43TCtcaXSc6FjbuiLU8A7dK4OgrquY4OVFC5jQ_BvfdZklD9bSArE4Tml-Yw_aem_OHHmDjjGVrTlL69GAw_XXQ

 

[Flange Squeal]

https://www.armstrongpowerhouse.com/free_download/manuals/APC220EP_Manual.pdf?fbclid=IwdGRjcAQ1_QJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xNzM4NDc2NDI2NzAzNzAAAR43TCtcaXSc6FjbuiLU8A7dK4OgrquY4OVFC5jQ_BvfdZklD9bSArE4Tml-Yw_aem_OHHmDjjGVrTlL69GAw_XXQ

Many thanks

 

[365 Networker]

The Voyager is out now - I've had a drive of it and the sounds and physics are very good in my view. There is also a discount for owners of the 222 pack.

 

[FrodshamJnct]

The Voyager is out now - I've had a drive of it and the sounds and physics are very good in my view. There is also a discount for owners of the 222 pack.

Well worth the money IMO. And great there’s already a Virgin branding patch.

 

[365 Networker]

I've been having issues with the Class 465/466 Enhancement Packs from AP recently, where using 465s seems to have impeded acceleration and struggles to get above 50mph. 466s on their own don't seem to be impacted, and the running sounds I think are an improvement, however the latest update to the files (24/03/26) hasn't fixed this issue from the previous update. Is anyone else having this?

AP have released a new update which seems to have fixed the issue - I've installed it myself and the acceleration does seem better.