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The 745 is a train that is particularly close to my heart, and which I would dearly love to have in simulator form. But even I'm not going to cough up that much to give to a (by all accounts) pretty shady and unethical business, even for a 745. So why would I pay as much again for the same train just shorter and with a rocket in the middle?

Also, slightly unrelated, but I wish there was more of a focus on routes than stock, particularly in the UK market. You can now find a copy of basically every carriage and wagon and loco and unit built since about 1981, but routes are dating far faster and there seems to be a great deal more stock than there are routes suitable for them. I do get that route building is a bit of a nightmare, but surely there has to come a point where updating old routes and filling gaps (and the same for old stock I suppose) becomes more of a priority than yet another obscure hopper wagon?
 
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ATS over complicate things again (thinking mainly of their disastrous installer that was discontinued).

Image shows pricing model for the ATS class 745 and 755.

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The 745 is a train that is particularly close to my heart, and which I would dearly love to have in simulator form. But even I'm not going to cough up that much to give to a (by all accounts) pretty shady and unethical business, even for a 745. So why would I pay as much again for the same train just shorter and with a rocket in the middle?

Also, slightly unrelated, but I wish there was more of a focus on routes than stock, particularly in the UK market. You can now find a copy of basically every carriage and wagon and loco and unit built since about 1981, but routes are dating far faster and there seems to be a great deal more stock than there are routes suitable for them. I do get that route building is a bit of a nightmare, but surely there has to come a point where updating old routes and filling gaps (and the same for old stock I suppose) becomes more of a priority than yet another obscure hopper wagon?

The ATS subscription model is pretty weird to me. Alan’s argument is it’s worth is as you get discounts on their products, but when you actually look at what subware content is released it’s very few and far between, so that argument doesn’t really hold any water.

I agree, I’d love to see more routers but as you say it’s a huge amount of time and effort, and developers are now often focusing on TSW (Just Trains for example).
 

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Now something I'm looking forward to - the next pack from AP is the Valenta HST:-
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Excellent. I've been watching the progress of this via the newsletters. This version of the pack will not have a new cab, unlike the MTU version, but will have a heavily modified and re-textured version of the original cab which looks great based on the (albeit lowres) screenshots.

[Attached image is taken from AP's latest newsletter entry and shows the re-textured cab included with the pack]
 

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AP's Valenta pack is now released. £29.99 (same as MTU), discounted to £24.99 for MTU pack owners. It would be interesting to hear how people compare the value of this pack compared to the 745/755 ATS offering.
[URL Directs to AP product page for Valenta HST pack]
 

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Am I correct in thinking that he previous AP HST Valenta was just an Enhancement Pack for the DTG model whereas this new one is a fully new model?
 

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Am I correct in thinking that he previous AP HST Valenta was just an Enhancement Pack for the DTG model whereas this new one is a fully new model?
The first part is correct. From my understanding, AP acquired the rights to the DTG model and thus modified it for the new MTU/Valenta packs. I've used the MTU pack many times and have never noticed an issue with the model so the modifications worked in my eyes
 

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Two potentially interesting releases on the horizon for TSC

The AP 66 EP V2 which is being teased on their Facebook and, presumably, is close to release.

And Imbue/ATS are working on a completely new Voyager. Not sure how far away from release it is.

I'm looking forward to both as their previous iterations in the sim are either showing their age (66 EP V1) or in dire need of a new model (JT or DTG voyager)

[The two attached screenshots show the associated Facebook posts from each of the respective developers.
 

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Two potentially interesting releases on the horizon for TSC

The AP 66 EP V2 which is being teased on their Facebook and, presumably, is close to release.

And Imbue/ATS are working on a completely new Voyager. Not sure how far away from release it is.

I'm looking forward to both as their previous iterations in the sim are either showing their age (66 EP V1) or in dire need of a new model (JT or DTG voyager)

[The two attached screenshots show the associated Facebook posts from each of the respective developers.

ATS also announced toward the beginning of August that they’re working on a 165/166 pack.

 
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ATS also announced toward the beginning of August that they’re working on a 165/166 pack.

Looks like you need to login to Facebook to see everything else. I’m actually not allowed to join Facebook or X, but new Class 165/166 DMU would be a good addition.

Have to say that the physics (simulation files) are not the best on Kuju Class 166 (slow acceleration), it was default to RailWorks in the first few or do years.
 

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Looks like you need to login to Facebook to see everything else. I’m actually not allowed to join Facebook or X, but new Class 165/166 DMU would be a good addition.

Have to say that the physics (simulation files) are not the best on Kuju Class 166 (slow acceleration), it was default to RailWorks in the first few or do years.

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Bother, that's really tempting but I promised myself ages ago not to give A*** T****** any more of my money so I suppose I shall have to leave it. Despite commuting on them, I do have a bit of a soft spot for the 165/166s!
 

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I know a lot of the products they are unofficially replacing are very old and outdated, but I can't help but notice that a lot of the recent releases are just rehashes of products and assets which already exist.
Class 165/166 already exists. Armstrong Powerhouse are soon/have recently released a pack for the Class 66 replacing an existing enhancement pack from them. The HST has had multiple enhancement packs released and upgraded.
London - High Speed 1 - north Kent Coast was released for Train Sim Classic and then again for Train Sim World. West Coast Mainline North is the same. Brighton Mainline is the same. Great Western Mainline is the same. Cornish branchlines are the same.
But we're getting very little in the way of new stock and routes. Class 745/755 are one and I think the Class 195 is being developed and must be due for release soon. And Just Trains have released a Peak District extension to their Midland Mainline recently. But other than those what have we had new recently?
 

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I know a lot of the products they are unofficially replacing are very old and outdated, but I can't help but notice that a lot of the recent releases are just rehashes of products and assets which already exist.
Class 165/166 already exists. Armstrong Powerhouse are soon/have recently released a pack for the Class 66 replacing an existing enhancement pack from them. The HST has had multiple enhancement packs released and upgraded.
London - High Speed 1 - north Kent Coast was released for Train Sim Classic and then again for Train Sim World. West Coast Mainline North is the same. Brighton Mainline is the same. Great Western Mainline is the same. Cornish branchlines are the same.
But we're getting very little in the way of new stock and routes. Class 745/755 are one and I think the Class 195 is being developed and must be due for release soon. And Just Trains have released a Peak District extension to their Midland Mainline recently. But other than those what have we had new recently?

TSC-wise I’m looking forward to the Max Tracks Leeds North West Airedale and Wharfedale Lines and the 333 they’re developing along with the route.
 

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The Armstrong Powerhouse Class 66 EP V2 was released today. I've been using it for the last few hours, and here are my initial thoughts:
- Exterior visuals are much better (though I'm annoyed about the lack of low emissions body variants, even if that's not AP's fault)
- Sounds are far better, though the exterior sounds are much quieter than I'd anticipated. The variance in sound between different variants is also greatly appreciated.
- The physics feel great, a notable improvement.
- Livery coverage is top-notch. There are barely any liveries that have been missed off.
- Pricing is great. £15 for the base pack (£20 without V1), up from I think £12, which was the original. Considering the major improvement in the above, particularly in livery/weathering variations, this is pretty much how I wanted it priced. The Vol2 pack is £8 and, in my opinion, well worth it, given the coverage of special liveries and charity donations.

My main gripes:
- A pet peeve of mine from V1 was that the cab colour temperature was too cold. All panels looked either white or slightly blue. It's marginally better here, but not enough for my liking.
- No low-emission variant
- No euro-cab variant (though I have no issues with this being excluded, given the pricing of the pack)

Overall, I'm pretty happy with it. Given how much freight I drive in the game, this'll probably be one of my most used packs for the next few months.
 

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The Armstrong Powerhouse Class 66 EP V2 was released today. I've been using it for the last few hours, and here are my initial thoughts:
- Exterior visuals are much better (though I'm annoyed about the lack of low emissions body variants, even if that's not AP's fault)
- Sounds are far better, though the exterior sounds are much quieter than I'd anticipated. The variance in sound between different variants is also greatly appreciated.
- The physics feel great, a notable improvement.
- Livery coverage is top-notch. There are barely any liveries that have been missed off.
- Pricing is great. £15 for the base pack (£20 without V1), up from I think £12, which was the original. Considering the major improvement in the above, particularly in livery/weathering variations, this is pretty much how I wanted it priced. The Vol2 pack is £8 and, in my opinion, well worth it, given the coverage of special liveries and charity donations.

My main gripes:
- A pet peeve of mine from V1 was that the cab colour temperature was too cold. All panels looked either white or slightly blue. It's marginally better here, but not enough for my liking.
- No low-emission variant
- No euro-cab variant (though I have no issues with this being excluded, given the pricing of the pack)

Overall, I'm pretty happy with it. Given how much freight I drive in the game, this'll probably be one of my most used packs for the next few months.

The manual states on page 36 that separate audio is provided for low emission variants, so looks like it is included.
 

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The manual states on page 36 that separate audio is provided for low emission variants, so looks like it is included.
I was referring to the visual differences, sorry, I should have made that clearer. Namely, the different windows and the side door that's halfway down the loco on the low-emissions variants. The Thomson Class 66 model included with WCML Trent Valley had these differences, though this particular model wouldn't have been available to AP thanks to Thomson's licensing arrangement.

I totally get AP not including the visual variants, but it's still something I notice, and it mildly irritates me.
 

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The final AP HST pack upgrades has been released, featuring the VP185 variant:

 

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Given the game takes up about as much space as a real train, I was holding off getting any more DLC until that day in the long grass when I switch to a computer younger than I am...

but the opportunity of picking up £150 worth of DLC for about £35 during the Black Friday sale was too good to resist. I really must stop now, otherwise my hard drive will explode.

Also, on a different note, does anyone know how to filter Steam Workshop scenarios by route? I'm wondering if I can find any scenarios for Marsdonshire, but needles and haystacks have been coming to mind. Assuming that there are any...
 

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I'm currently testing my recent purchases and I'm broadly very impressed - but I had a quick go on the Southampton-Salisbury route (purchased via Steam) and there didn't seem to be any AWS - but there were signals showing on the HUD where the AWS ramps should have been! I'm not very tech-literate so I assume the answer is uninstall and reinstall, unless it's a known issue with the route?
 

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The latest newsletter from Armstrong Powerhouse reveals a Class 222 Enhancement Pack is underway and a Bedford-Corby route extension to the Midland Main Line: https://www.armstrongpowerhouse.com/latest_newsletter

January 2026

The Workbench


With Toby & Pablo putting their finishing touches to the Bedford - Corby route extension, January has been the month of the 'Meridian'. The staple traction for the Midland Mainline over the past 20 years, it made sense to give the Class 222 some much-needed love to complement our forthcoming route.

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As always, much attention has been given to the audio, using a combination of recordings made at Central Rivers depot in 2016 from their counterpart 'Voyager' and a cab recording from St Pancras to Nottingham in 2023. Class 222s are interesting and fairly unique for a DMU in that they are propelled by electric motors rather than being directly driven by a diesel engine. This means the engine revs up in a different manner which required quite a bit of research and observation to simulate. To summarise, the diesel engine on a Class 222 simply acts as an electricity generator to power the traction motors and as a result, the engine revs up depending on the load being demanded by the motors. When departing from a standing start for example, even if you select full power, the engine at 0mph will not rev up as it is already revving high enough to provide the motors with enough power. This is why the engine revs up a little when the driver selects forward or reverse, to ensure it is ready to provide the necessary power. As speed increases, the engine then gradually revs up to match the load being demanded by the motors. At around 13mph, the engine will rev at its highest rpm, assuming full power is selected, with the turbocharger then spooling up as more load is placed on the engine until 20mph. At 20mph, peak load is reached and the turbocharger has reached its highest speed. In contrast, if running at 20mph or above, selecting full power from idle will have the engine rev up quickly in around 4 seconds. Other unique sounds are also represented such as the vibration you hear in both the cab and from outside when first pulling away, which varies in severity depending on much power you have applied.

In terms of features, most are what you will have come to expect in our enhancement packs. NRN & GSMR (auto-register only), dynamic exhaust, cold start & realistic acceleration/braking physics to name a few. One feature of particular interest however is the door control, which again, is quite unique to a 222. Upon stopping at a station, the Selective Door Operation (SDO) panel illuminates in the cab and you must select how many cars of your train you wish to open the doors on. Once you have done this, you may open the doors as normal but only the number of cars you have selected will open their doors. In reality, there is a little more complexity as you need to also choose which side to open the doors, but we are limited somewhat by the cab model provided in the original pack by Just Trains. This limitation also means that a keyboard command needs to be used to select the number of cars rather than being able to click a button.

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Whilst the original pack from Just Trains comes with a fairly comprehensive selection of liveries, we have re-made them from scratch using higher resolution visuals as well as improved proportions/colours. A few missing nameplates/decals have also been added.

To save this newsletter becoming more like a manual, we shall leave it there! We look forward to hopefully getting this pack out soon. We look forward even more to giving it a proper run from St Pancras to Corby but that will need to wait for now.
 

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