AWC Derailment at Shap Summit 03/11/25

[DaveyJones]

Is this the 57 + 390117?

I believe so, it was at Clifton&Lowther Crossovers around 6am. The headcode matches an ECS of the derailed unit

 

[YorkshireBear]

A few pictures of the front of the train but does anyone seen any of the actual landslip and the conditions of the embankment? I'm no expert but considering the whole nose of the train came off it must be quite a bit earth movement, contrary to the photos where the embankment isn't actually that much higher than the train

The rails don't have to be covered more than a few inches to detail a train so the fact the cutting isn't higher than the train is irrelevant.

Think images of landslip removed as had no source, but a good chunk in the cess I imagine was enough to remove the superficial parts of the front end.

 

[FrontSideBus]

The landslip probably wasn't that bad since the leading vehicle ploughing through it was enough to clear it to an extent that the rest of the coaches remained on the rails.

 

[DaveyJones]

The landslip probably wasn't that bad since the leading vehicle ploughing through it was enough to clear it to an extent that the rest of the coaches remained on the rails.

From some of the photos doing the rounds on news articles it's clear the Lifeguards and Cow Catcher have done their job pretty well

 

[Master Cutler]

Looking at the front end damage, and guessing the nature of the land debris, the main force would have created quite an upward lift, enough to lift the front off the rails while the train was slowing down.

 

[FrontSideBus]

I imagine even the ballast flying everywhere at that speed would cause quite a bit of damage.

 

[cats_five]

Some photos of the recovery on the North Yorkshire Weather Watchers FB group. One shows jacks and the recovery engine was 57309.

 

[35B]

The rails don't have to be covered more than a few inches to detail a train so the fact the cutting isn't higher than the train is irrelevant.

Think images of landslip removed as had no source, but a good chunk in the cess I imagine was enough to remove the superficial parts of the front end.

Quite. Worth looking at images of the slip at Carmont to see what relatively little can do

 

[trainmania100]

It's good that nobody was seriously hurt but it's concerning about the inefficiency of the equipment, be it the detection or the relay of the detection to control

 

[-Colly405-]

A reliable source has said to me that the current aim is to reopen around 1900 today.

 

[Bletchleyite]

A reliable source has said to me that the current aim is to reopen around 1900 today.

If that is so that is some impressive work by Network Rail and Avanti...

 

[BRX]

It's good that nobody was seriously hurt but it's concerning about the inefficiency of the equipment, be it the detection or the relay of the detection to control

If I remember right, at Carmont it wasn't the earthworks that moved, it was a load of material that got washed out of a drainage trench onto the track. If the same thing happened here, then you'd not necessarily expect that equipment to detect it.

 

[a_c_skinner]

As suggested above I've looked at the N. Yorks weather facebook page and an image on there is of 57309 obviously rescuing the 390. Will this loco still have a functioning Dellner coupler or will it be using an adaptor from its hook coupler?

 

[Goldfish62]

Unit rerailed and being towed to Carlisle for onwards travel to Polmadie, overhead lines repaired, track, signalling and earthworks repairs in progress. All good stuff.

 

[chrisjo]

As suggested above I've looked at the N. Yorks weather facebook page and an image on there is of 57309 obviously rescuing the 390. Will this loco still have a functioning Dellner coupler or will it be using an adaptor from its hook coupler?

From my recent observations 57309 has been the designated DRS Avanti Thunderbird rescue loco at Carlisle for a while, having taken over from Lady Penelope.

 

[CAIB]

It does beg the question how passengers with restricted mobility are evacuated in such circumstances?

How far a walk did they have to the Shap Wells Hotel from the incident? Being localish we do extensive walking in all conditions around Orton and Shap so a good if not neccesary effort (especially for the elderly in abhorrent weather) all round walking on heavy ballast. Also a reminder how valuable TOC must treat and refresh emergency procedure.

 

[bishdunster]

Vis a vis the mysterious yellow "cable", It is quite common for the civil police traffic cops to use these heavy duty straps to imobilise a vehicle while they investigate, also to prevent unauthorised removal of said vehicle !

 

[karlbbb]

5R22 looks to be in Platform 3 at Penrith

Now departed and on onward journey towards Carlisle, approaching Plumpton Loop as I type. Great news the train was able to be rerailed and moved so quickly.

 

[enginedin]

a good if not neccesary effort (especially for the elderly in abhorrent weather) all round walking on heavy ballast

as many others have said, it's not unheard of for (at least one of) the local mountain rescue teams to be drafted in to help with supporting the less mobile - they have stretchers designed to be carried over rough terrain

 

[jadmor]

Quite. Worth looking at images of the slip at Carmont to see what relatively little can do

And Carmont would probably have looked like this if the train hade not hit the bridge abutment. On the other hand, this incident would have been magnitudes worse if a train had been approaching on the other track.

 

[Dave W]

A reliable source has said to me that the current aim is to reopen around 1900 today.

That would be very decent in the circumstances - weather's not great and the location isn't exactly Trafalgar Square.

 

[Snow1964]

That would be very decent in the circumstances - weather's not great and the location isn't exactly Trafalgar Square.

I am not quite sure what the comparison is here, Trafalgar Square has lots of bystanders / spectators and is surrounded by lots of roads that have been blocked off or made one way.

It is not like the old days, as soon as the train jacked out of the way, single line working is instigated from a crossover at a station nearby so got around 2-5 miles single with pilot man. Nowadays they block off 20, 30, 40 miles of route, and use road/rail equipment from an access point with a trolley carrying equipment, it not as if if a crew walks lineside for couple of miles carrying jacks, blocks, shovels etc anymore.

 

[Goldfish62]

A reliable source has said to me that the current aim is to reopen around 1900 today.

Caledonian Sleeper are stating that they're running a full service tonight.

 

[Dave W]

I am not quite sure what the comparison is here, Trafalgar Square has lots of bystanders / spectators and is surrounded by lots of roads that have been blocked off or made one way.

It is not like the old days, as soon as the train jacked out of the way, single line working is instigated from a crossover at a station nearby so got around 2-5 miles single with pilot man. Nowadays they block off 20, 30, 40 miles of route, and use road/rail equipment from an access point with a trolley carrying equipment, it not as if if a crew walks lineside for couple of miles carrying jacks, blocks, shovels etc anymore.

I think you are reading it rather too literally. It's up the top of Shap; regardless of how you want to cut it, it's not particularly accessible.

 

[Harpo]

it's concerning about the inefficiency of the equipment, be it the detection or the relay of the detection to control

We’ll need some facts before that can be judged.

 

[-Colly405-]

Caledonian Sleeper are stating that they're running a full service tonight.

I am rather pleased with this as I am booked to have a lie-down snooze on 1S26/1B26..!

 

[PG]

We’ll need some facts before that can be judged.

Indeed. Luckily we have very capable people in the railway family who will be assisting the RAIB with their enquiries and the facts will become clear when the RAIB publish their report (or safety digest).

 

[68000]

https://x.com/networkrailWCML/status/1985596877199303158

Network Rail posted an update on twitter showing excellent progress during the night

 

[Spartacus]

I think you are reading it rather too literally. It's up the top of Shap; regardless of how you want to cut it, it's not particularly accessible.

It's about 2.5 miles off the nearest M6 junction though, you can get there from Carlisle in under an hour, no problem.

 

[Yorkshire09876]

As suggested above I've looked at the N. Yorks weather facebook page and an image on there is of 57309 obviously rescuing the 390. Will this loco still have a functioning Dellner coupler or will it be using an adaptor from its hook coupler?

It does still have a functioning Dellner- it's one of the four designated Thunderbirds (although the contract with DRS apparently ends later this year). The others are 57304/7/8.