Not quite 'purely'. 801s are move on, off and around depots using GU power fairly frequently.
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LNER Class 91 - What are the retirement plans?
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Not quite 'purely'. 801s are move on, off and around depots using GU power fairly frequently.
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If the OHE was so unreliable to be a common problem you'd have thought they would have fitted a GUE to the Mk4 DVT like Chiltern did with their Mk3 DVT's although that was so they could shut down the main engine to save fuel rather than pure emergency use.
I have read about some instances though, where they had to open all of the doors because conditions onboard had deteriorated that much!
I have read about some instances though, where they had to open all of the doors because conditions onboard had deteriorated that much!
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If this remains the case - it means the 180s will go first, to be replaced by stock that was ordered years after the CAF order was placed!
The OHLE is normally powered separately to the signalling. It is very unusual for both to fail.
But the train with the diesel can make a wrong direction move if the opposite line is safe, whereas a pure electric would be stuck.
tfw756rider
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Oh, the irony
trainswitheddy
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You'll be going somewhereOh, the irony
Back on topic... Assuming 91s will be stood down individually based on hours, then 124 may be the first to go?
Would make sense seeing as though it's one of the lowest now and if parts are needed elsewhere...
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Be interesting to work out the total mileage that they have done when they are finally withdrawn!
Wyrleybart
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Why do you think the 180s have to go ? They all had ETCS kit installed at Eastleigh a couple or more years ago, so they will be compliant with southern ECML when that is switched on.
Not necessarily saying 180s are reliable of course !!!
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Because Grand Central have ordered Hitachi units that are arriving in early 2028 and nobody else operates 180s currently.
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I recently had a go on a 180 and they were quite good IMO, nice and smooth, good seats and the sound of the turbo whistling at full chat was awesome!
My only complaint was that the aircon seemed to be set at -5'c!
My only complaint was that the aircon seemed to be set at -5'c!
Yorkshire09876
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They are fine when they work, but the problem is that they are chronically unreliable!
charlier
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PRAYING that they get retired this year . . Awful trains
trainswitheddy
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In ref to the 91s? Even if they are awful replaced with what?
The IC225/91s or the 180s? Either way there’s nothing to replace them this year so there’ll be a lot of angry passengers stuck on platforms without a train to catch if you get your wish.
91124 as of 21:10 today is 6,860,644.
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That looks low to me as it would be only around 200k per year since new. I’d suggest that might be more like the figure since HGR and renumbering as a 91/1.
Mileage will have been reset after a major overhaul
sprinterguy
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Indeed - 91131 is reported to have achieved around 8 million miles before being laid up at the end of 2021 (https://www.railmagazine.com/news/n...s-record-breaking-91-saved-for-bo-ness-museum), while others were reported to have covered "over seven million miles" at around the same time, though I don't have access to any figures more specific than that.
Bletchleyite
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They are to be replaced by the new CAF stock (Class 897 I think) but it won't be this year or indeed next!)
tfw756rider
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Yes, 10x 10-car CAF Class 897 Civity units. Probably from 2029.
trainswitheddy
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That was my point
early withdrawal is silly if it means no stock to replace. Unless of course they want off lease 321s covering. That might be fun.I’ve done King’s Cross to Leeds in one (or at least I think it was a 321, perhaps somebody can confirm WYMetro branded EMU in the late 90s?) and fun it wasn’t!That was my point
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I've heard of that happening. Yes, it will have been a WYPTE 321, they lived on the Leeds - Doncaster services.
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What off-lease 321s are they then?That was my point
Yes, definitely one of the EMUs used on the Leeds to Doncaster so that would have been it.
It was pretty bouncy at full speed on the ECML and I wouldn’t recommend 3 +2 seating for a 200+ mile journey, not pleasant at all. The windows made a heck of a clattering sound all the way too.
It was when the 91s were withdrawn for checks after Hatfield I think.
With only 4 diagrams for a fleet of 12 locomotives several years!
trainswitheddy
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Are the Varamis 321s not still about? Or have the ones going to scrap all gone now?
In which case...
Might be worth giving ROMIC a call
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They have eight which are either demic or have no seats, or both.
What sort of service would you run with that lot?!
Might be worth giving Ghostbusters a call. Probably be more sensible!In which case...
Might be worth giving ROMIC a call
Elecman
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350/2 anyone, plenty will be available
Yorkshire09876
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Given that the 125mph Mk4 sets have to be shortened to keep to the new timetable, and the 350s are 110 max...
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