Nym
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Remember this is a country where ToCs continued ordering more Class 80x series units. Anything can happen...
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Future of the 350/2s
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The Planner
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There is nothing happening, if at all, in the next year. Its not even being talked about at present.
DarloRich
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relatively new units aren't getting cut up any time soon.
DarloRich
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they will be sold aboard before they are cut up.I admire your faith
warwickshire
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Maybe awaiting a decision on Northern, reuse elsewhere, or Withdrawal, but don't want to speculate to much, Until the decision to withdraw is actually set and announced officially, however back to Long Marston 350237 is actually there. So again speculative 350237 might be a indication,
Ie again wait and see if Withdrawal does go ahead.
Ie again wait and see if Withdrawal does go ahead.
778
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What other countries do you think would take them?
Nym
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Wires above at Wembley
DarloRich
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no idea- i am not a business development manager for Siemens! But they are good quality trains, reliable trains They are tired inside but other wise good and from a decent "family" of units.
Nym
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Siemens BD team have nothing to do with it. It’s a Porterbrook asset…
DarloRich
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yes, a good point well made! I don't work for them either
Worked well for the Heathrow 360s.
Bletchleyite
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Those were quite a lot older and more specialist.
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Class 360/2, built 2004/5, scrapped 2022.... 17/18 years old.
Class 350/2, built 2008/9... 16/17 years ago.
Would also guess that gangwayed stock is less desirable than non-gangwayed in the current climate.
Presumably you have not seen that European railways have lower platforms and bigger gaps between the train and the platform edge.
Bletchleyite
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Why?
mansonlo49
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237 at long marston
Southern Dvr
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In case TOCs decide to carry out revenue protection again.
They are of course hoping for a new customer. However, as AC only units and with all but Northern having received new units very recently if Northern don’t take them then they’ll be going in the Sims bin.
pokemonsuper9
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Why would that make gangwayed trains less desireable? A gangwayed train prevents people from sitting in the front set where the guard won't reach them.
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Well spotted. I read it the wrong way around!
brad465
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If they were diesel locos they could go anywhere easily, and DMUs could probably go to another continent as HSTs have done, but UK EMUs of any power source have no real alternatives abroad.
Why could you not send an Emu abroad? Apart from Platform Height and width to the train.
Bletchleyite
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The units might be more suited to metro-style services. For instance, Bangkok has a metro-style service serving the main airport (I won't try to spell it!
) which basically uses Class 360s, albeit with a beefier aircon unit plonked on top and an interior using the blue moquette that the 350/1s used to have.
Nym
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Pantographs…
We are not a TSI railway
EDIT: Technical Standards for Interoperability.
Pantograph / Overhead Contact System operation is country-spesific and will likely continue to be for some time.
In addition to the country spesific protection and data logging systems, the pantograph would also need to be changed if being sent anywhere else, and then re-homogonised for that country.
Seems a lot of work for an asset that isn't *that* expensive any more.
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Why would it be "awful" if they end up scrapped?
They're not being kept on along with their sister units because of the ownership, and the resultant higher leasing fees. Presumably if Porterbrook find a new user, this will be at a more competitive price than the previous deal with LNWR? Otherwise, why should Northern end up as even more of a financial basket-case just so that Porterbrook don't have to take a hit? If Porterbrook are able to reduce the leasing costs, couldn't they have done so for LNWR? It isn't the first time they've painted themselves into a corner, as they did the same with the 323s initially- assuming that WMR would want the Northern fleet too. Perhaps it's high time they suffered the consequences of their decisions?
It isn't actually that unusual throughout history for some fleets to be withdrawn and scrapped after around 20-25 years. Plenty of first-gen DMUs only lasted around 25 years.
With my enthusiast hat on I'd rather the 323s stay. There needs to be a better argument than "these trains are newer" to make the change. If they're going to be cheaper to lease and maintain then great, but there's also the downside that on Northern they won't be able to work as 8-car sets which means anything currently 6-car would have to run as a 4.
They're not being kept on along with their sister units because of the ownership, and the resultant higher leasing fees. Presumably if Porterbrook find a new user, this will be at a more competitive price than the previous deal with LNWR? Otherwise, why should Northern end up as even more of a financial basket-case just so that Porterbrook don't have to take a hit? If Porterbrook are able to reduce the leasing costs, couldn't they have done so for LNWR? It isn't the first time they've painted themselves into a corner, as they did the same with the 323s initially- assuming that WMR would want the Northern fleet too. Perhaps it's high time they suffered the consequences of their decisions?
It isn't actually that unusual throughout history for some fleets to be withdrawn and scrapped after around 20-25 years. Plenty of first-gen DMUs only lasted around 25 years.
With my enthusiast hat on I'd rather the 323s stay. There needs to be a better argument than "these trains are newer" to make the change. If they're going to be cheaper to lease and maintain then great, but there's also the downside that on Northern they won't be able to work as 8-car sets which means anything currently 6-car would have to run as a 4.
The trains run on 25kv AC which a lot of countries have which is why Class 86, 87 and 92 locos have been exported abroad even though non of them had systems suitable for the countries they went to
Why?
Because it is cheaper to rebuild than buy new.
I doubt the 350s would work elsewhere but some company might want the equipment.
tfw756rider
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(Not disregarding any of your points but just replying to the basic question)
350s, as with all the "post-privatisation" units, which should stay, are relatively modern. They still look "in place" in the 2020s. They have air conditioning. All the accessibility equipment is part of the train design itself, and the announcement intelligability in particular is relatively good.
323s, as with all the ex-British Rail units, which need getting rid of, are obviously old. They look out-of-place in the 2020s. They lack air conditioning. They're so old that all the accessibility equipment had to be retrofitted, including the totally clear-sounding TrainFX (Levenshulme = "Mumblemum").
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