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TfW Class 67+Mk4 sets: trip planning/experiences, diagram updates etc

BillStampy

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Realtime Trains | 3H00 0946 Crewe C.S. to Hereford Diesel Sdgs. | 25/08/2025

Real-time train running information for 3H00 0946 departure from Crewe C.S. to Hereford Diesel Sdgs. on 25/08/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Realtime Trains | 3H01 1431 Hereford Diesel Sdgs. to Crewe C.S. | 25/08/2025

Real-time train running information for 3H01 1431 departure from Hereford Diesel Sdgs. to Crewe C.S. on 25/08/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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HD02's test run timings are up throughout the week commencing the 25th following these timings for each day
 
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Whats the plan for this weekend please? Including Monday. Can we expect all diagrams to be covered?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Jez said:
Wow only 1 diagram. whats gone wrong?

Looks like they ate hoping to get a 2nd one out on the 1853 Cardiff
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HD01 & HD04 are both out of service at Crewe, the former on exam and the latter still being looked at on Crewe ETD, it’s still yet to move back over to ATC following some more issues.

HD07 suffered dragging brakes yesterday morning and is on repair at Canton

HD06 failed this morning with an air leak on 67020. This has now been swapped for 67017 and is hoped to be out later this afternoon, stepping into 1W57 at 13:30 from Crewe
 
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BillStampy said:
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FYI this is NOT my photo, I've taken it from the Class 67 Facebook Group and all credit goes over to whoever took it*

82220 looks quite nice, although she doesn't have a number on yet by the looks of it and the front before the headlights is black. The new coaches have had the coach letters added, so coaches A, B, C, D and E. Testing begins Monday so lets see what happens!
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It's a screen shot from Railcam and should not be shared here.
 
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Jacob Porrett said:
Because it's one of Railcam's rules. Shouldn't share screenshots from Railcam unless it's on their specific Facebook page.
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That isn’t correct. Where in the terms and conditions does it say that? As long as you credit Railcam you can post a screenshot here, to a Facebook group etc.
 
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Jez said:
Whats the plan tomorrow? Are all diagrams expected to be covered?
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Current plan:

D1 - 67010 Set HD03 (Loco MAN end)

1V91 05.27 Holyhead - Cardiff 09.58
1W57 10.53 Cardiff - Manchester 14.13
1V46 14.30 Manchester - Cardiff 17.44
1W65 18.53 Cardiff - Manchester 22.21

*Set Turns Via WBQ*
(5K65 ECS 22.30 MAN - CRE CS 23.41)

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D2 - *UNIT*

1W11 04.32 Cardiff - Manchester 08.13
1V37 08.30 Manchester - Cardiff 11.37
1W61 14.50 Cardiff - Manchester 18.13
1V62 18.30 Manchester - Cardiff 21.54

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D3 - 67012 Set HD05 (Loco CDF end)

1W13 06.46 Cardiff - Manchester 10.13
1V39 10.27 Manchester - Cardiff 13.52
1W96 17.22 Cardiff - Holyhead 22.06

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D4 - *UNIT*

1V31 05.13 Crewe - Cardiff 07.50
1W55 08.53 Cardiff - Manchester 12.13
1V42 12.30 Manchester - Cardiff 15.44
1W63 16.53 Cardiff - Manchester 20.15

*Via Styal*
(5K70 ECS 20.24 MAN - CRE CS 21.09)

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D5 - 67017 Set HD06 (Loco CDF end)

*After Set Turns Via WBQ*
(5V33 ECS 05.12 CRE CS - MAN 06.23)

1V33 06.27 Manchester - Cardiff 09.51
1W59 12.53 Cardiff - Manchester 16.13
1V50 16.30 Manchester - Cardiff 19.44

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I see that whatever's possessing Set 5 is yet to be exorcised.

Shame, hopefully 197011 doesn't end up too rammed!
 
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MP393 said:
Will be 197011, HD05 failed on Canton.
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There doesnt seem to be a day recently where one doesnt fail about to go into service. Plus others out of service for repairs/exams. It seems very poor recently, far worse than it was a year or so ago. This is why im of the option 197s should have just been ordered for all Manchester-South Wales.
 
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There doesnt seem to be a day recently where one doesnt fail about to go into service. Plus others out of service for repairs/exams. It seems very poor recently, far worse than it was a year or so ago. This is why im of the option 197s should have just been ordered for all Manchester-South Wales.
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It was busy, but keeping to time very well!
 
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It was busy, but keeping to time very well!
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The good thing is a 197 can easily match if not beat a MK4 hands down.

I guess tomorrow the Holyhead to Cardiff will be a unit. As no set will end the day in Holyhead.
 
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Jez said:
The good thing is a 197 can easily match if not beat a MK4 hands down.

I guess tomorrow the Holyhead to Cardiff will be a unit. As no set will end the day in Holyhead.
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At least it covers the North Wales Coast before the tourists wake up.

I presume it very unlikely that there are any other 197s in Holyhead to join 011 on the way south.
 
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Topological said:
At least it covers the North Wales Coast before the tourists wake up.

I presume it very unlikely that there are any other 197s in Holyhead to join 011 on the way south.
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Unless one of those stored 'Cambrian' 197s can be put into service!

Not such an issue on the Holyhead though as you say. Im more concerned about the constant subbing for units on the Manchester-South Wales.
 
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Jez said:
Unless one of those stored 'Cambrian' 197s can be put into service!

Not such an issue on the Holyhead though as you say. Im more concerned about the constant subbing for units on the Manchester-South Wales.
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I hope that is not a suggestion that the Holyhead would manage fine as a unit and that when there are 4 Mk4 sets available, it should be the 4 Manchester diagrams that stay as Mk4s. Such would suggest that politics are triumphing over passenger provision. :)

No doubt it would be pointed out that there was no way to reduce unit substitution on Cardiff-Manchester in such cases, but I am sure that there is and there would be balancing moves that could be worked if needed.
 
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Jez said:
The good thing is a 197 can easily match if not beat a MK4 hands down.
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Was on a GWR 166 earlier and we raced HD03 out of Newport, it started moving a good 3 seconds before us and we were quickly able to catch up to it and matched it's speed up until the tunnel. Puts the MK4's acceleration speed into perspective in comparison to a DMU!
 
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