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Green light for over 50 road and rail upgrades

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Same announcement for Dorchester South.

It took ten years for Dorchester West to become accessible from the first announcement so I am not holding out much hope for a quick resultm.

Dorchester West has a train in each direction roughly every two hours.
Axminster (fully accessible) has an hourly service.

Dorchester South. Two trains an hour in each direction.... still waiting.
And each of those much busier than the trains at West. The upside one at West is quite clever and was no doubt fairly affordable. A gently inclined path descending the embankment with a pick up/drop off bay at its foot.
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South is frustrating. There's a side entrance from a road behind the down platform that looks fairly level but its nearly a km round from the main entrance by road if you can't use the footbridge. The town could do with a public active transport route from the Monmouth Road area across the station towards brewery square that could also deliver station accessibility improvements.
 
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And each of those much busier than the trains at West. The upside one at West is quite clever and was no doubt fairly affordable. A gently inclined path descending the embankment with a pick up/drop off bay at its foot.
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South is frustrating. There's a side entrance from a road behind the down platform that looks fairly level but its nearly a km round from the main entrance by road if you can't use the footbridge. The town could do with a public active transport route from the Monmouth Road area across the station towards brewery square that could also deliver station accessibility improvements.
South is mitigated by SWR's willingness to divert down trains to the up platform to provide that accessibility, something that is done on a very regular basis.
 

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And still no station at Grove/Wantage despite 1000s of new builds and importing the newly rich from the London area who sold for a million and buy for half that with a commute to work time of under 40 minutes once the drive to Didcot is complete. No wonder they don't bother working on Mondays and Fridays.
 

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Curious what ‘new housing development’ the Portishead line is supposed to be supporting, unless they mean all the stuff that went up around the docks about 15-20 years ago? (Which also severed the line and prevented a new station actually in the town!). I suspect they’re conflating it with the proposed Brabazon station on the reopened Henbury branch which will support a huge development on the old Filton airfield, that’s had a few mentions recently.
I suspect the Bristol Brabazon will be ill-fated.
 

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I suspect the Bristol Brabazon will be ill-fated.
The station or the housing development? It would seem to be a good spot for industrial development (Anybody remember "Virtute et industrial?"*) and if either that or housing went ahead I would have thought a station might be a good idea.

*p.s. see https://www.thewurzels.com/lyricsvirtute.htm ... which led me to https://www.thewurzels.com/news.htm, "The Wurzels embrace ‘Cutting Hedge’ technology with the assistance of their type of AI – AGRICULTURAL INTELLIGENCE."
 
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You do have to wonder whether East West Rail is that advanced to be able to expend 2.5B during the spending review period compared to other projects ie MML that were shovel ready. So i hope they can flex the budget to other project if it emerges that the project is falling behind plan.
 

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Talking if east west, why on earth in this day and age would a project building in effect a new railway not be electrified from the start? Cost is most likely the answer but it is going to be considerably more to electrify in the future than at the point of build. Madness!
 

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Great to see the A66 covered by this announcement. Long overdue.
But neither the A1 north of Newcastle, nor the A69 west of Hexahm.

I use the latter (a lot) and the lack of proper off-roadside rest areas and places to safely overtake HGVs and caravans is, tbh, a dangerous situation. The Tyne Valley line / 685 bus are OK alternatives, some of the time, but not in all situations ...
 

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Talking if east west, why on earth in this day and age would a project building in effect a new railway not be electrified from the start? Cost is most likely the answer but it is going to be considerably more to electrify in the future than at the point of build. Madness!
If you take Phase 1, electrification would have allowed no electric trains to run, as all current services run onto the not electrified Chiltern line. Perhaps when reaches Milton Keynes you would have considered running electric trains between there and Oxford. But that’s a decade of useless wires.
It may cost more in the future to electrify, but the money not spent on electrification now may well have been spent on something else with more immediate benefit. It’s not as if we’re short on claims for government spending.
 

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Isn’t phase one Oxford to Milton Keynes, which opens to regular passenger services later this year?
No, Phase 1 was Oxford to Bicester, opened in 2016. Confusingly, Phase 2 has been split into three “Connection Stages”, of which the first is Bicester to Bletchley.
We are delivering Connection Stage 1 of the East West Rail phase 2 project, also known as EWR - connecting Bicester and Bletchley.
 

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Talking if east west, why on earth in this day and age would a project building in effect a new railway not be electrified from the start? Cost is most likely the answer but it is going to be considerably more to electrify in the future than at the point of build. Madness!
The cost of adding OLE will be a lot more:
  1. Inflation means the cost alone will be higher compared to building it at the time of the construction of the line,
  2. Adding OLE to an operational railway always costs more compared to building it at the time of construction of the line,
  3. The extra costs due to stop / start construction also will likely apply. Whereas if it was built as part of construction of the line, assuming work does not stop until the entire planned route is finished, overall costs per mile are likely to be lower in comparison.
If you take Phase 1, electrification would have allowed no electric trains to run, as all current services run onto the not electrified Chiltern line. Perhaps when reaches Milton Keynes you would have considered running electric trains between there and Oxford. But that’s a decade of useless wires.
It may cost more in the future to electrify, but the money not spent on electrification now may well have been spent on something else with more immediate benefit. It’s not as if we’re short on claims for government spending.
Oh, like part of the new line is open to traffic, but has no scheduled passenger service on it yet?
Ideally you would have arranged for new trains to be ready for the new OLE equipped line. And have upgraded other lines with OLE at the same time.

But this is England, where the Treasury and the politicians worship budgets and would rather spend triple or more over ten to twenty years in small separate chunks rather than getting the job done as a continuous scheme. As clearly demonstrated by having stage 1, then splitting stage 2 into three...
 

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The cost of adding OLE will be a lot more:
  1. Inflation means the cost alone will be higher compared to building it at the time of the construction of the line,
  2. Adding OLE to an operational railway always costs more compared to building it at the time of construction of the line,
  3. The extra costs due to stop / start construction also will likely apply. Whereas if it was built as part of construction of the line, assuming work does not stop until the entire planned route is finished, overall costs per mile are likely to be lower in comparison.

Oh, like part of the new line is open to traffic, but has no scheduled passenger service on it yet?
Ideally you would have arranged for new trains to be ready for the new OLE equipped line. And have upgraded other lines with OLE at the same time.
Also there were many fairly modern electric trains already or about to come off lease when the decision was made, but lack of wiring at Oxford was a problem, an 'island' likely to be required anyway for battery conversion in the future.
But this is England, where the Treasury and the politicians worship budgets and would rather spend triple or more over ten to twenty years in small separate chunks rather than getting the job done as a continuous scheme. As clearly demonstrated by having stage 1, then splitting stage 2 into three...
There's no chance that wiring a mostly plain line newly reconstructed railway before service start, with new signalling already factored in etc, was going to cost the same or more per stkm as the much more complex and troubled GWML scheme. I feel the decision was firmly political, an act designed to show the public 'something had been done', to please conservative minds some money was being saved, and for rabid anti rail people, the crumb the decision might place difficulties in the path of future operations and improvements, perhaps a nice 'spanner in the works' for a future administration.

Paused wiring of the Oxford area under the GWML project also posed a problem. If sections wired for EWR couldn't have been energised immediately on construction, then stringing the copper wires to leave them unused for years would have invited theft and degradation, but many of the plain line stanchions at least might have been erected during the construction period.

We are where we are now, of course, and batteries for passenger trains will work fine on this line in the medium term, I'm sure. I expect Didcot-Oxford will be electrified before that happens, so the battery units can have regularly spaced wiring 'islands' around each major hub they serve to charge. Any additional isolated intermediate sections required for reliable range might be fed from local DNO supplies using the RCC concept. HS2 going live in the Calvert area might offer an opportunity to spur from their nearest feeder to EWR as well. That could probably cover the entire Oxford Bletchley section without adding too much load from new traffic at the mainline feeders.

As far as freight is concerned, the first revenue-earning intermodal train has already been diverted via EWR, well before any fare-paying passengers. As it was already diesel hauled, the lack of wiring was no impediment, though of course it couldn't take advantage of the wires once on the WCML. If bimode locos like cl.99 were substituted on such trains in the future, they would be able to use their diesels over EWR, then pan up once at Bletchley.
 
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