Stagecoach East Midlands - Timetables, Services, & Wider Operations

[CN12 AWU]

Trident the Bear on twitter reporting 11731-42 are to join the fleet from Manchester

I believe Grimsby are getting them other depots are getting standard E400's

However recently Trident athe Bear hasn't been as accurate as it used to be

 

[Fox192]

I believe Grimsby are getting them other depots are getting standard E400's

However recently Trident athe Bear hasn't been as accurate as it used to be

Assuming the e400 be off Lincoln, Gainsborough or something

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Hull have 9 e400 not including the sixth form ones, maybe Hull could to get rid of them

 

[K13R0N]

I believe Grimsby are getting them other depots are getting standard E400's

However recently Trident athe Bear hasn't been as accurate as it used to be

That'd make sense, standardised fleet with the 200s I suppose

 

[Fox192]

Could standardise hull fleet too with the mmc, considering there 9 + 4 that are for the consortium, let’s say they would keep the 10061/62 and get rid of the 19307/08

 

[jimbob185]

My source also informs me that hull control were told to return 26255 to depot yesterday (which bustimes seems to confirm its switch replaced by a E200 of all buses on 7/8)

So not sure if plans changed and 26255 been returned, it's getting sent for repaint or engineers just needed it

According to Bustimes Hull still have 26255 as on 7/8 again today. Also looks like 27203 has returned back to Scunthorpe this morning with 26173 returning back to Hull.

 

[CN12 AWU]

According to Bustimes Hull still have 26255 as on 7/8 again today. Also looks like 27203 has returned back to Scunthorpe this morning with 26173 returning back to Hull.

Yes that is correct also 37196 is running the morning and afternoon 255 today which I believe is extremely rare

 

[ChrisC]

Does anyone know why Stagecoach East Midlands still issue tickets to people travelling with ENCTS passes? Regular passengers on their routes are used to this and always collect their ticket from the machine after scanning their pass. Passengers who mainly travel on routes operated by other operators don’t expect this and usually just scan their pass and don't collect a ticket. This is especially confusing in parts of Derbyshire around Chesterfield and Alfreton where both Stagecoach East Midlands and Stagecoach Yorkshire buses operate. It seems such a waste of paper and also so much litter on the bus floor and blowing out of the doors onto the streets when the tickets aren’t collected and the driver doesn’t remove them from the machine.

 

[Hyebone]

Does anyone know why Stagecoach East Midlands still issue tickets to people travelling with ENCTS passes? Regular passengers on their routes are used to this and always collect their ticket from the machine after scanning their pass. Passengers who mainly travel on routes operated by other operators don’t expect this and usually just scan their pass and don't collect a ticket. This is especially confusing in parts of Derbyshire around Chesterfield and Alfreton where both Stagecoach East Midlands and Stagecoach Yorkshire buses operate. It seems such a waste of paper and also so much litter on the bus floor and blowing out of the doors onto the streets when the tickets aren’t collected and the driver doesn’t remove them from the machine.

It also has the slightly funny problem on the 77 where a passenger boards a Yorkshire service, scans their pass and holds their hand expecting a ticket!

 

[175mph]

Does anyone know why Stagecoach East Midlands still issue tickets to people travelling with ENCTS passes? Regular passengers on their routes are used to this and always collect their ticket from the machine after scanning their pass. Passengers who mainly travel on routes operated by other operators don’t expect this and usually just scan their pass and don't collect a ticket. This is especially confusing in parts of Derbyshire around Chesterfield and Alfreton where both Stagecoach East Midlands and Stagecoach Yorkshire buses operate. It seems such a waste of paper and also so much litter on the bus floor and blowing out of the doors onto the streets when the tickets aren’t collected and the driver doesn’t remove them from the machine.

I don't know, but I've noticed that although most drivers won't care if you take the ticket or not, as long as the pass has scanned correctly, you'll get the occasional driver who will absolutely refuse to leave the stop until the ticket is taken, even if the bus is already running very late, reason being 'It's me who gets it in the neck if an inspector gets on'.

I've seen an inspector get on before and and just seeing the pass itself seems to satisfy them.

 

[CN12 AWU]

I have now seen a list from a friend at a Manchester depot and one from Grimsby (both similar lists) with a list of 19's getting collected on 4th by drivers from Scunthorpe, Lincoln, Grimsby and Skegness for those said depots so it's confirmed that Hull are not receiving any apparently Hull are receiving buses from Scunthorpe and Skegness once these 19's arrive on night of the 4th Jan as to what buses that doesn't say

 

[K13R0N]

Trident the Bear on X reporting that 11731-42 from Manchester are going to Gainsborough and Skegness, allowing most of the Gainsborough's current MMCs and some 1919/2xx Enviro 400s to Grimsby, with 10901 going to Skeg too.

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I have missed an additional two tweets stating the location of 50 Enviro 400s from Manchester and what will be disposed as a result. See attached screenshots

 

[CN12 AWU]

Trident the Bear on X reporting that 11731-42 from Manchester are going to Gainsborough and Skegness, allowing most of the Gainsborough's current MMCs and some 1919/2xx Enviro 400s to Grimsby, with 10901 going to Skeg too.

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I have missed an additional two tweets stating the location of 50 Enviro 400s from Manchester and what will be disposed as a result. See attached screenshots

Yes heard today Hull won't be receiving anything even transfers from another garage due to shortages around area all other garages will

So this fits in perfectly with that

 

[Fox192]

Yes heard today Hull won't be receiving anything even transfers from another garage due to shortages around area all other garages will

So this fits in perfectly with that

Are hull still getting 22781 36331/37

 

[CN12 AWU]

Are hull still getting 22781 36331/37

No idea to be honest I can't see any point they seem to cope fine with the E200's they have

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I highly doubt 36331/37 will come if I'm honest and does hull really need another MAN

 

[TR673]

Trident the Bear on X reporting that 11731-42 from Manchester are going to Gainsborough and Skegness, allowing most of the Gainsborough's current MMCs and some 1919/2xx Enviro 400s to Grimsby, with 10901 going to Skeg too.

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I have missed an additional two tweets stating the location of 50 Enviro 400s from Manchester and what will be disposed as a result. See attached screenshots

Those Trident the Bear posts still leave several Euro 3 Enviro 400s unaccounted for, though,
Including but not limited to 19013/14/15/17/18/22/44/45/47/50...

So are we to assume those ones are staying?

 

[CN12 AWU]

Those Trident the Bear posts still leave several Euro 3 Enviro 400s unaccounted for, though,
Including but not limited to 19013/14/15/17/18/22/44/45/47/50...

So are we to assume those ones are staying?

Also I'm sure 19307/19308, 19377, 19379 and 19382 in Hull are Euro 3 so surly need replacing?

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Are hull still getting 22781 36331/37

Does anyone know about 36331/37 from where they are etc if there moving or staying that seems to have gone quiet

Regarding 22781 I heard it was now joining its sisters at Gilmoss so not sure

 

[K13R0N]

Those Trident the Bear posts still leave several Euro 3 Enviro 400s unaccounted for, though,
Including but not limited to 19013/14/15/17/18/22/44/45/47/50...

So are we to assume those ones are staying?

It depends on how early Stagecoach want them gone I assume, it could be that there are vehicles elsewhere in the group that could replace them if other divisions receive newer vehicles, or the EVs due for Hull and Mansfield may be enough internally to have a shuffle around.

With Grimsby receiving 14 deckers (10986-900, 19195-6, 19200/6/7/10 and three unknowns from Manchester, there would be scope to remove 19007/9/11 (which are supposedly going according to the tweet), as well as 19013/14/15/17/18/44/45/50/52/61 and 62, unless there are different plans. Its a case of wait and see I guess.

 

[jimbob185]

Also I'm sure 19307/19308, 19377, 19379 and 19382 in Hull are Euro 3 so surly need replacing?

I think these are Euro 4 as from what I have been told is that the way you can tell if they are Euro 3 is they don’t have an Ad-Blue cap on the offside.

 

[EnviroExplorer]

I think these are Euro 4 as from what I have been told is that the way you can tell if they are Euro 3 is they don’t have an Ad-Blue cap on the offside.

Correct, 19000-19130 are the E400s new as Euro 3 and very few have been upgraded to reduce emissions across the country.

 

[jimbob185]

The numbers of the E400s that I have seen that are due to come from Manchester but are subject to change are
19393,19480,19484-19499,19501-19509,19516,19518-19533 and 19564

The one I struggle to believe is coming is 19532 which is in GM Buses South livery which I thought was due to stay in Manchester and join the training fleet.

 

[gka472l]

The numbers of the E400s that I have seen that are due to come from Manchester but are subject to change are
19393,19480,19484-19499,19501-19509,19516,19518-19533 and 19564

The one I struggle to believe is coming is 19532 which is in GM Buses South livery which I thought was due to stay in Manchester and join the training fleet.

19532 is staying in Manchester as a trainer.

HTH

 

[jimbob185]

From the list I have seen these are due from Manchester.

Mansfield
10468/19484/5/8/502/3/6/7/8

Grimsby
19393/487/95/531/33

Lincoln
19491/2/3/505/16/18/19/22/27/29/32/36076/77

Worksop
19509/26/28/30

Skegness
11737/38/39/40/41/42/19496/520/21

Scunthorpe
19480/97/98/99/501/04/23/24/64

Hull
19489/90/94/525

Gainsborough
11731/32/33/34/35/36/19486

East Midlands Movements
19383 - Scunthorpe - Grimsby
19195 - Skegness - Grimsby
19196 - Skegness - Grimsby
19200 - Skegness - Grimsby
19206 - Skegness - Grimsby
19207 - Skegness - Grimsby
19210 - Skegness - Grimsby
10896 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10897 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10898 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10899 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10900 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10901 - Gainsborough - Skegness

I can't tell you if this is 100% correct as there seems some strange things with 19532 due to come when I heard it was due to stay in Manchester and Gainsborough only getting one E400 from Manchester. Also I thought Hull wasn't due any so I wouldn't be surprise if there go elsewhere.

 

[CN12 AWU]

From the list I have seen these are due from Manchester.

Mansfield
10468/19484/5/8/502/3/6/7/8

Grimsby
19393/487/95/531/33

Lincoln
19491/2/3/505/16/18/19/22/27/29/32/36076/77

Worksop
19509/26/28/30

Skegness
11737/38/39/40/41/42/19496/520/21

Scunthorpe
19480/97/98/99/501/04/23/24/64

Hull
19489/90/94/525

Gainsborough
11731/32/33/34/35/36/19486

East Midlands Movements
19383 - Scunthorpe - Grimsby
19195 - Skegness - Grimsby
19196 - Skegness - Grimsby
19200 - Skegness - Grimsby
19206 - Skegness - Grimsby
19207 - Skegness - Grimsby
19210 - Skegness - Grimsby
10896 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10897 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10898 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10899 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10900 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10901 - Gainsborough - Skegness

I can't tell you if this is 100% correct as there seems some strange things with 19532 due to come when I heard it was due to stay in Manchester and Gainsborough only getting one E400 from Manchester. Also I thought Hull wasn't due any so I wouldn't be surprise if there go elsewhere.

I seen a list from a source in East Midlands no mention of hull at all but that was a week or so ago so if your list is newer these might be right

 

[jimbob185]

I seen a list from a source in East Midlands no mention of hull at all but that was a week or so ago so if your list is newer these might be right

I think plans are always changing so won't really know till they take place.

 

[liamf656]

19288/470/532 won't be transferring anywhere, they'll be staying in Manchester as part of the training fleet. Instead of 532, 19517 will be transferring to Lincoln

 

[jimbob185]

19288/470/532 won't be transferring anywhere, they'll be staying in Manchester as part of the training fleet. Instead of 532, 19517 will be transferring to Lincoln

Thats what I had heard so was surprised to see 19532 on the list and it did surprise me that 19517 wasn't on the list when all the fleet numbers round it were due to transfer.

 

[K13R0N]

From the list I have seen these are due from Manchester.

Mansfield
10468/19484/5/8/502/3/6/7/8

Grimsby
19393/487/95/531/33

Lincoln
19491/2/3/505/16/18/19/22/27/29/32/36076/77

Worksop
19509/26/28/30

Skegness
11737/38/39/40/41/42/19496/520/21

Scunthorpe
19480/97/98/99/501/04/23/24/64

Hull
19489/90/94/525

Gainsborough
11731/32/33/34/35/36/19486

East Midlands Movements
19383 - Scunthorpe - Grimsby
19195 - Skegness - Grimsby
19196 - Skegness - Grimsby
19200 - Skegness - Grimsby
19206 - Skegness - Grimsby
19207 - Skegness - Grimsby
19210 - Skegness - Grimsby
10896 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10897 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10898 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10899 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10900 - Gainsborough - Grimsby
10901 - Gainsborough - Skegness

I can't tell you if this is 100% correct as there seems some strange things with 19532 due to come when I heard it was due to stay in Manchester and Gainsborough only getting one E400 from Manchester. Also I thought Hull wasn't due any so I wouldn't be surprise if there go elsewhere.

The number of Tridentviros for Gainsborough looks awfully small when you consider they've got 12 ALX 400s to replace

 

[jimbob185]

The number of Tridentviros for Gainsborough looks awfully small when you consider they've got 12 ALX 400s to replace

This was something I also thought which made me think there could be errors in the list

 

[CN12 AWU]

The number of Tridentviros for Gainsborough looks awfully small when you consider they've got 12 ALX 400s to replace

From list I seen last week those 4 for hull were going Gainsborough, but not sure how new this list above posted today is

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This was something I also thought which made me think there could be errors in the list

As said above the 4 listed at Hull we're going Gainsborough on list I had seen

 

[jimbob185]

Trident the Bear has published a new list which I would expect is more accurate than the previous list. This list can be seen in the attached photo.