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Mollman

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Where has the idea come from that it’s loss making?
First dropping it, why would they give up on a route that was profitable?
Transdev presumably took it on both to give synagy with the 7 and because they thought they might be able to do better. Even if it is profitable now, throwing an extra bus in the cycle is more expensive than it used to be and would likely tip the balance to loss making.
 

SCH117X

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Extending the daytime X99s as a 7 to Harrogate would allow for the half hourly service to be restored on that section of the 7.

The timing of the 7 remains a mystery to me with most Harrogate departures from Wetherby being only being 5 minutes after a Connexions service on the same routing.
 

stevieinselby

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Could there be any possibility of integrating the X98/X99 into the existing 7 service at some point, to either avoid the franchising (having a service coming into Leeds rather than operating out of Leeds - similar to how the X41/X43 have got around franchising in Manchester) or try and make the service more justifiable?
I don't see any value in doing that. Both the X98/X99 and the 7 are needed between Wetherby and Leeds ... the X98/X99 provides the only real service to villages along the A58 corridor, and the 7 provides the only real service to Thorner and the Bramham/Clifford/Boston Spa area (not counting minor fringe services like 492 and 923). Whichever one you hook up to the Wetherby—Harrogate section, you're still going to need to run the other between Wetherby and Leeds, and I would imagine that the established traffic from Boston Spa to Harrogate would be a good reason to keep the routes arranged as they are rather than swapping them.
 

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I doubt any changes made now will change the plans for franchising. Manchester franchised routes were not exactly the same as the day before franchising. The 184 Huddersfield to Oldham moved to Huddersfield depot, but was still a franchised route from Oldham under franchsing.
 

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Any news on the re-tendering of York locals 24,25 and 26? I thought the current contract was up in August!
 

Leedsbusman

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Any news on the re-tendering of York locals 24,25 and 26? I thought the current contract was up in August!
Not likely yet as the return date for bids is 19th July.


Tendered Bus Routes 19, 20, 24 & 25​

A Tender Notice
by CITY OF YORK COUNCIL​

Source Contracts FinderType Contract (Services) Duration 5 year Value £4M
Sector TRANSPORT Published 19 Jun 2024 Delivery 01 Aug 2024 to 31 Jul 2029 Deadline 19 Jul 2024 11:00
 
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Accident damaged Pride-liveried 2421 (BD11 CEA) has been towed away from Rawcliffe depot just now. I believe it is for scrap but not 100% on that
 

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Upcoming service changes at Team Pennine from 21 July:
From the 21st July 2024, there are stand changes at Huddersfield Bus Station, which may affect which stand your bus departs from.

The Denby Darts D1, D2 & D3 will depart from Stand E.

The 343, 536 & 537 will depart from Stand O.

The 396 will depart from Stand P.

The 303 & 304 will depart from Stand R.

The 321 & 323 will depart from Stand U.

The 358 will depart from Stand X.

Minor inconvenience for passengers.
 
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It’s gone for repair with them hoping it to be back again soon. Better luck than 2779 had anyway!
That’s good! Hoped it would be a repair but with the amount of damage to the A-frame I wasn’t sure


edit: I now have reason to believe that Transdev’s tendered York routes will end up being run by York Pullman after this round of tendering. Nothing concrete yet but don’t be surprised to see Pullman making significant inroads, believed to be done with cascaded ex-First vehicles
 
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Looks like there's going to be a new delivery of Mercedes-Benz Citaro Hybrids for the Flyer routes, Transdev Tweeted this story out this morning:


We’re all clear for take-off! Brand new energy-efficient buses packed with the latest safety and comfort features are to transform our popular FLYER network, linking Leeds, Bradford and Harrogate with Leeds Bradford Airport.

We’ve placed an order worth £4 million for 15 Mercedes-Benz Citaro Hybrid single deckers – with delivery expected at the end of this year.

The new vehicles are widely seen as among Europe’s most energy efficient buses, running on a combination of electric power and biodiesel to keep emissions as low as possible with a hybrid design.

Our Managing Director Henri Rohard says the new buses will revolutionise your travel experience, while delivering significantly reduced emissions and the latest cyclist and pedestrian detection systems, to make the roads safer for everyone.

Henri says: ““On board each bus will be a full package of customer comfort features, including free Wi-Fi and USB charging, next stop information displays and a hearing loop system to make communication easier for those with a hearing disability.

“With the FLYER network’s role in serving Leeds Bradford Airport in mind, each bus will also offer plentiful luggage space.

“We’re confident our customers will love travelling on these impressive new buses – providing the most energy-efficient and environment-friendly way to reach our regional airport – while helping to offset carbon emissions associated with air travel.”

We’ll bring you more details on these stunning new hybrid buses coming soon, as we move closer to launch across our FLYER network.
 

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Think it's safe to say that any future full size single deck fleet renewals will more than likely be Merc Citaros of some flavour! With Harrogate, Keighley and now Flyer getting them they must be ticking all the boxes for Transdev.
 

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Think it's safe to say that any future full size single deck fleet renewals will more than likely be Merc Citaros of some flavour! With Harrogate, Keighley and now Flyer getting them they must be ticking all the boxes for Transdev.
I think that's quite an increase in size for Flyer. I hope that won't be an issue on any of the smaller roads they go down.
 

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I think that's quite an increase in size for Flyer. I hope that won't be an issue on any of the smaller roads they go down.
Bearing in mind that the current Flyer fleet is 12 Versas, and this order is for 15, does that also suggest that an increase back to x20min on the A1 may be on the cards here?
 

RustySpoons

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Shortly after Transdev took over the airport services there was talk of the service running 24 hours a day. Obviously Covid put the stoppers on things, but has the 24 hour service been forgotten about or is it still on the cards?
 

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Shortly after Transdev took over the airport services there was talk of the service running 24 hours a day. Obviously Covid put the stoppers on things, but has the 24 hour service been forgotten about or is it still on the cards?
I doubt it’d be commercial, it would presumably rely on the airport paying for it
 

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In both cases the Mercs have offered the most effective solution for a vehicle that size, I know they’ve been interested in the new E100EVs, could be the same once the new E200EVs are released. This latest generation of AD EVs does seem to be class leading, just without a full sized single option yet. I wonder now with them having some hybrids could that now be a minimum requirement for new orders going forward where EVs aren’t possible
 

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In both cases the Mercs have offered the most effective solution for a vehicle that size, I know they’ve been interested in the new E100EVs, could be the same once the new E200EVs are released. This latest generation of AD EVs does seem to be class leading, just without a full sized single option yet. I wonder now with them having some hybrids could that now be a minimum requirement for new orders going forward where EVs aren’t possible
The E200EV can be built at 11.7m, the same length as the Versas. Whether the capacity is the same I'm not sure
 

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Shortly after Transdev took over the airport services there was talk of the service running 24 hours a day. Obviously Covid put the stoppers on things, but has the 24 hour service been forgotten about or is it still on the cards?
With the airport currently expanding the terminal building and number of stands over the coming years, maybe now is a good time to see if more funding services might be viable, at least during the summer season, as there's not likely to be demand in winter for a 24 hour service.
 

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Puzzled why the stands at Harrogate bus station have not been reassigned now that 12 (through the withdrawal of Connexions X1s) and 13 (ever since National Express abandoned their service) are both vacant - although the display for 13 is still showing the times for Great Yorkshire Show buses. This morning around 9.30 stand 9 had a parked up route 7 vehicle on it meaning an X70 pulled into stand 8 (36 Ripon). Of course then a Ripon bound 36 arrived and had to wait. In doing so it blocked a inbound Route 1 vehicle from being able to access the booked 10 or 11; 12 having a parked up Connexions double decker on it and 13 a parked up 36 Gemini 3.
 

Leedsbusman

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Puzzled why the stands at Harrogate bus station have not been reassigned now that 12 (through the withdrawal of Connexions X1s) and 13 (ever since National Express abandoned their service) are both vacant - although the display for 13 is still showing the times for Great Yorkshire Show buses. This morning around 9.30 stand 9 had a parked up route 7 vehicle on it meaning an X70 pulled into stand 8 (36 Ripon). Of course then a Ripon bound 36 arrived and had to wait. In doing so it blocked an inbound Route 1 vehicle from being able to access the booked 10 or 11; 12 having a parked up Connexions double decker on it and 13 a parked up 36 Gemini 3.
What would you reassign to stand 12 and 13?
 

RustySpoons

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More summer buses for Coastliner this summer... but only to Scarborough.

summer is here!

It's finally here, and as our buses get busier over the summer holidays, we'll be introducing new extra buses to make sure we've got space for all our customers to travel in comfort.

Extra journeys will run from Monday 22 July to Saturday 31 August
, helping out our busiest journeys of the day to and from Scarborough. They will run along our normal route on the 843 and pick up and drop off at all our usual stops.

I'm always surprised Whitby isn't better served.

Unrelated, but Transdev seem to have adopted a lowercase approach to their news headlines on their website. Obviously it's intentional, but to me it just comes across as a poor use of writing mechanics...
 

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More summer buses for Coastliner this summer... but only to Scarborough.
Only 2 return buses between York and Scarborough with 1 coming from Leeds and 2 returning to Leeds..
9.15am from Leeds to Scarborough (picking up in Tadcaster at 9.56am, York Rail Station at 10.28am and Malton at 11.32am, arriving in Scarborough at 12.30pm)
9.23am from York Rail Station to Scarborough (picking up in Malton at 10.17am, arriving in Scarborough at 11.30am) on Saturdays, this bus will start in Leeds at 8.15am
3.55pm from Scarborough to Leeds (5.07pm at Malton, 5.56pm at York Stonebow and arriving in Leeds at 7.15pm)
4.55pm from Scarborough to Leeds (6.07pm at Malton, 6.56pm at York Stonebow and arriving in Leeds at 8.06pm)
 

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