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UK General Election 2024: The Results & Aftermath

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I'm rather glad Farage, Tice and Anderson have got in for reform. It's their put up or shut up moment, and I suspect they will quickly find out that it'll be the latter. Let them make fools of themselves.
Anderson is the only one who's actually had to work as a MP.
 
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Anderson is the only one who's actually had to work as a MP.
He's wasted as an MP to be honest. I want him to become a celebrity chef and share some of his amazing 30p meal ideas.
 

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I'd like to see Priti Patel stand.
Kemi Badenoch is bookies favourite at the moment.
Think Priti's is 4th fav.
It would be better if the leader could come from the more moderate side of the party unless the view is that the territory lost to the Liberal Democrats is irrecoverable.
 

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Potential cabinet members now going into no.10.
edit: well, any MP walking Downing Street now is going to be in the cabinet.
watching on BBC1 .
 

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It would be better if the leader could come from the more moderate side of the party unless the view is that the territory lost to the Liberal Democrats is irrecoverable.

The problem is that the right wing of the Conservatives believes that they will regain the territory and be swept back to power if they adopt even more bonkers hard right policies. Truss may be out of the Commons (hurrah!), but there are still plenty who think the same way as she does. The only hope is that even the dimmest members of the electorate will slowly see through them, although I have my doubts, and the party will become a load of fringe nutters.
 

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Labour have lost to shadow cabinet ministers in Thangam Debbonaire & Jonathan Ashworth. The later was an effective media communicator during the last government. They both could have expected cabinet roles had they not lost their seats
 

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It's now possible to travel between Eastbourne and Barnstaple, only passing through LibDem held constituencies.
 

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See BBC already giving excess airtime to Farage with very little focus on the Greens. Both have exactly the same number of seats/MPs.

Going to be a tedious 5 years of Grimey Nige.
 

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Going to be a tedious 5 years of Grimey Nige.

I could quite see him giving a speech at their autumn conference and announcing that he’s decided that the workload of leading a “mass movement” as he calls it doesn’t fit with the day to day duties of being an MP, and that he’s triggering a by-election
 

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See BBC already giving excess airtime to Farage with very little focus on the Greens. Both have exactly the same number of seats/MPs.

Going to be a tedious 5 years of Grimey Nige.
The greens do persist in mostly putting up the most dreadful wet lettuces as spokespeople. Caroline Lucas was a bit of an exception, but in general they really don't make good TV. Reform did also get more than twice the vote share, which may be a small factor.
 

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Labour have lost to shadow cabinet ministers in Thangam Debbonaire & Jonathan Ashworth. The later was an effective media communicator during the last government. They both could have expected cabinet roles had they not lost their seats
Thangam Debbonaire was a good communicator too, and with a good knowledge of what she spoke on — both of them a real loss to Labour. I wonder if either or both will be given jobs and put in the Lords, or if the party will try and get them back in at an early by-election somewhere.
 

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With so many senior Tories having lost their seats, their choice of the next leader is a bit restricted. Off the top of my head, Kemi Badenoch, Jeremy Hunt, Priti Patel and James Cleverly would seem to be the most likely plausible contenders who are still MPs. Is there anyone else?
Suella Braverman will want a shot.
 

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I could quite see him giving a speech at their autumn conference and announcing that he’s decided that the workload of leading a “mass movement” as he calls it doesn’t fit with the day to day duties of being an MP, and that he’s triggering a by-election
I cant see him putting up with the drudgery of a constituency MP - all those awful oiks wanting help with their benefits or, god forbid, immigration issues! His register of members interests will make interesting reading
 

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The greens do persist in mostly putting up the most dreadful wet lettuces as spokespeople. Caroline Lucas was a bit of an exception, but in general they really don't make good TV. Reform did also get more than twice the vote share, which may be a small factor.
Reform got 2% more of the votes than the LibDems, but only 4 seats as opposed to their 71 — how can that be fair or representative? (And I'm certainly no lover of Reform!)

The Greens too seem to have suffered from their dispersed votes, but I'm glad Carla Denyer got in (and I certainly don't see her as one of the "wet lettuces"!).
 

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That analysis only makes sense if you presume that Reform have taken votes almost exclusively from the Conservatives - and I don't believe that for a moment.

Oh I agree, but may conservatives will feel that Reform votes should have gone their way, and look to poisition th eparty accordingly. I did hear earlier that something like 2/3rds of seats that Labour won would have been conservative if all Reform votes went their way. (To reiterate, i know that wouldn’t happen, but its onteresting nevertheless).


Who would be the best person to become the new Tory Leader, would it be someone who's quite moderate and James Cleverly or Tom Tugendhat, who I think are more of the one nation tories? Or would it be someone like Suella Braverman? If Suella or someone on the right would be the leader of the Tories, what would be the difference between them and Reform?

Probably Oliver Dowden. But it will be Braverman or the Wolf (TM)
 

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It's now possible to travel between Eastbourne and Barnstaple, only passing through LibDem held constituencies.

Yep. And also looks to me like it's possible to travel between either of those places and Berwick-upon-Tweed (along the way diverting to places like Llanelli, Bangor, Barrow-in-Furness, Birmingham, York or even Scarborough) travelling only through Labour and LibDem constituencies. You can also reach Norwich by adding a Green constituency, or of course anywhere in Wales by including Plaid Cymru.
 

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The Liberal Democrats are a mild left-centrist party which occupied a position to the left of Labour in this campaign.

Which is a pretty interesting concept if you look at the hammering they gave the blues in the South-West - three of the Devon tory holds are by whiskers & went to recounts, and if there was some tactical voting going on would have probably gone yellow too.

Farage apparently appeals to the not-terribly-grown up children of the worst of 80s excess, just want what's good for them & hang everyone else. That seems to be a theme across Europe atm and I'm not sure how you can really change that without somehow showing people society works for them rather than selfishness, that's a very long process.
 

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Yep. And also looks to me like it's possible to travel between either of those places and Berwick-upon-Tweed (along the way diverting to places like Llanelli, Bangor, Barrow-in-Furness, Birmingham, York or even Scarborough) travelling only through Labour and LibDem constituencies. You can also reach Norwich by adding a Green constituency, or of course anywhere in Wales by including Plaid Cymru.
Unless you allow use of a bus between Carmarthen and Aberyswith, you can't avoid South Shropshire.

There's a Blue border across the whole middle of the country, the only way to go around is the TrawsCymru bus connection.
 

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Unless you allow use of a bus between Carmarthen and Aberyswith, you can't avoid South Shropshire.

There's a Blue border across the whole middle of the country, the only way to go around is the TrawsCymru bus connection.
It's not very heavily-populated country though. I reckon you could probably risk a quick trip through South Shropshire without getting bitten
 

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Labour has won a landslide with their 5th smallest total number of votes in 22 general elections since WW2. Its clear there was little enthusiasm for Starmer or Labour in the electorate. Given the state of the economy and public services and Labour's commitment not to raise the main taxes it will be a hard slog to show a material improvement in either over the next 5 years. I can see a lot of people becoming further disillusioned and even more people voting for Reform in 2029. I have no time for Farage but he is actually a fairly decent speaker and will now have an even bigger platform to promote his simplistic policies which a lot of people support. A lot will depend on how the Tory party respond. If they go for another non-entity as leader a lot of support will peal off to either Reform on the right or Lib Dems on the left.
 

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My MP's been appointed Home Secretary, not a much of as surprise though.
She has been waiting politely for over 10 years now, doing either shadow HS or leader of the Home Affairs committee. Literally the only other job she's ever looked at was leader, and while we might all have been better off if she'd got that, we threw everything away on Corbyn instead.
 

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Reform got 2% more of the votes than the LibDems, but only 4 seats as opposed to their 71 — how can that be fair or representative? (And I'm certainly no lover of Reform!)

The Greens too seem to have suffered from their dispersed votes, but I'm glad Carla Denyer got in (and I certainly don't see her as one of the "wet lettuces"!).
It's not, that's why we need a proportional system. However it also reflects the focused campaigning of the LDs on winnable seats and the support systems and network they have in place. These factors didn't exist for reform. The fact that a lot of their voting material didn't even have a picture of the candidate on it shows how far off the pace they were. Without disproportionate media attention, their vote share would have been much lower.
 

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Reform got 2% more of the votes than the LibDems, but only 4 seats as opposed to their 71 — how can that be fair or representative? (And I'm certainly no lover of Reform!)
The LibDems are actually about right in terms of their share of the vote (12%) and number of seats (11%). They used to have the same issue as Reform have now in terms of seats:vote share. Rather than bemoaning their luck they have switched strategy and played the system as it is and heavily targeted winnable seats. Clearly it has worked.
 

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One consequence of this result, that I can't see being discussed anywhere, is the impact on the business of the House of Commons. The Liberal Democrats will get some new privileges as the third largest party, which the SNP will lose. Instead the SNP will be competing with an increased array of other small parties demanding similar treatment.

Another significant feature is that the Speaker has lost all three of his deputies, Eleanor Laing and Rosie Winterton having retired and Nigel Evans losing his seat.
 

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I'm rather glad Farage, Tice and Anderson have got in for reform. It's their put up or shut up moment, and I suspect they will quickly find out that it'll be the latter. Let them make fools of themselves.
I wish. In what parallel universe is Farage going to shut up? (or Anderson, come to that). Farage had lots of practice disrupting the European Parliament.
 

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Maybe Farage will turn out to be a diligent and hard working constituency MP, always in Clacton working for his people and not gallavanting off chasing neo-con coin.

Sorry, had so little sleep i am making Liz Truss look alert.
 
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