MP393
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It’s on the south end, will lead to Cardiff
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It’s on the south end, will lead to Cardiff
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That makes sense. Thanks.
I thought it was a bit odd as often the Swansea to Cardiff part was cancelled rather than a totally separate service.
voithgearbox
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Thanks - will try capturing it at Hereford tomorrow, much appreciated
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Realtime Trains | 1V34 0627 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central | 20/01/2024
Real-time train running information for 1V34 0627 departure from Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central on 20/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Yes first of the 5 cars in service. Today's full diagram is in post 3769.67029 is HD01 if I'm not mistaken? So this should be the first 5 car out?Realtime Trains | 1V34 0627 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central | 20/01/2024
Real-time train running information for 1V34 0627 departure from Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central on 20/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
It's out all day today, in Crewe tomorrow then should be back out again on Monday.
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Is the Swansea a unit tomorrow then?
I do wonder how much longer TfW will carry on with DB supplying the 67s, particularly when and rather conveniently, a number of AAR fitted 68s may soon be released from the Chiltern’s if (or when) they take the ex TPE sets.
With the engineering work there's only 1 booked diagram tomorrow which is the Canton-Canton one.
Should be HD02 on 10:32 Swansea to Crewe and 16:10 Crewe to Swansea tomorrow AFAIK
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Even if TFW were able to switch to 68s, how long and how much disruption would the training of all drivers and guards on the new traction cause, not to mention the inevitable modifications, faults and lack of maintenance familiarity issues?
voithgearbox
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Just saw on RTT that 5W57 CRE-XCR had been cancelled, assuming 5V46 XCR-CRE would not be running too? Would this affect which end the loco is facing as I do not know much about the Crewe area - many thanks
Crewe depot would be just out and back so if it's just going back from the station instead of shunting to the depot and back it will still be the same way round.
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Thanks - much appreciated
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Can anyone confirm the full formation of HD01 please? Many thanks in advance!
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Nothing for the guards, it shouldn't make any difference to them - but you'd need to train about 150 drivers. You'd need to speak to someone from Chiltern to confirm but I'd be surprised if it was anywhere less than a 5 day conversion course per driver.
It just stayed on Platform 12, much easier than having to go in and out of the depot. The loco is still at the Cardiff end.
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Diedinium
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Brilliant, can't wait for this to become a common sight.67029+HD01 making its way down to Cardiff at Hereford. Slight disruption with WMR services regarding the Barnt Green area delayed my arrival so thankfully still caught it, calling it a day now
Which is likely to be the next 5 car set? HD03?
Yes all being well HD03 followed by HD07.
TT-ONR-NRN
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What sort of timescales are we looking at here?
Last I heard, very short. Quite possibly be 3 5+2s in service by the end of the month.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Fabulous stuff.
I've posted some photos and video on the TFW enthusiasts group.(Facebook) of my MK4 first class journey for those on there. One thing I noticed when booking my ticket online, I waited until that morning to book so I could check on RTT it was definitely a MK4 (and just crossed my fingers and hoped it wouldn't be swapped!) But the 1649 ex Cardiff for example was subbed for a 2 car 197 yet the option to book a first class ticket was still available for this particular service. It doesn't give a very good impression on customers who wouldn't know it was being swapped as I doubt the average customer would check RTT. Would staff at ticket offices even be aware of the swap?
Based on various discussions on this thread it seems the diagram which starts at Swanssa (Mon to Sat) is not booked a MK4. Do we have a planned date of when this is expected to switch to a Mk4. May timetable change or might that be optimistic?
Based on various discussions on this thread it seems the diagram which starts at Swanssa (Mon to Sat) is not booked a MK4. Do we have a planned date of when this is expected to switch to a Mk4. May timetable change or might that be optimistic?
Agreed, when some of these trains are effectively planned out days in advance more needs to be done to restrict sales on 1st class at that point and potentially warn people who have booked. There does unfortunately seem a divide between plans and sales.
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The base diagrams are for Mk4s on it, they're just over-ridden each week and short term diagrams are put in so it doesn't need a timetable change to swap it.
Once HD03 is out the fleet will finally be 7 rakes for the first time. There's been talks of it happening then and also when the lengthening programme is finished but not sure which is the current plan. Either way it should be well before the timetable change.
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From RTT, it looks like 1W56 1032 Swansea to Crewe is actually Mk4 today. First Sunday for a while I think.
I guess when it's a short notice swap even overnight for the following day/evening it can cause issues changing the online system. I mean other services on the line towards Manchester aren't booked for first class so you would think they easily amend the online system.
I did actually catch the 1649 for my up journey but obviously booked a standard class advance knowing it was going to be subbed. The guard made a big deal of announcing on the tannoy that the train was only 2 carriages this evening and all.passengers were to remove bags from seats but no mention as to why it was short formed and no apology for lack of first class or advice on getting refunds for those who might have booked first class tickets. It was as if it was just short formed from 4 to 2 car 197 rather than a MK4 with first class to 2 car 197.
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Yes that is the first Sunday this year I believe as the first week it was a pair of 153s and last week a 3 car 197!
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That's great. Sooner than I thought.
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To be fair it's the only diagram today. If couldn't get 1 set out then there's problems!
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In all honesty a sizable majority of swaps aren't done on the day or overnight, they're done before that. The 1649 diagram is by far the most likely diagram to swap out. It's planned to run tomorrow (apart from the 4:54 from Crewe) but then drops back to a substitute on Tuesday. Should then be 4 diagrams Wednesday onwards but for the last few weeks that diagram has had terrible coverage. Unfortunately it's the only diagram that starts and finishes in the same place so doesn't affect maintenance cycles by knocking it out when there's a shortage.
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To be fair, if the weather gets as bad as expected tonight it might get sent home to bed early. They don't like having the locos out of there's a lot of disruption around.
We’re very often not privy to the information as to why it’s short formed. We get to the platform for our train and a 2 car turns up. We then know it’s going to be very busy due to the lack of coaches and our focus is on what we can for the passengers on our service at that time.
Personally then, I would make the announcements regarding the short forming, saying that I expect the service to be very busy and ask people to remove bags and such from seats. If it’s not already to the point I can’t walk through then I would go through, enforce that (and I have had people seriously unhappy about me asking to move bags off seats, it’s insane how selfish some people can be), and, as I worked 158’s only, I would also make sure any vestibule doors were Isolated in the open position and windows open as the A/C was terrible and it would be incredibly hot and sweaty with a F+S 2 car even in winter.
Very true!
To be fair i totally agree with the guard for asking people to remove bags etc and doing it over the tannoy is easier before the train departs as it picked up a lot of passengers at Newport when almost every seat was taken But I think comments such as 'seats are for passengers not bags' and 'you can put your bags on the overhead luggage racks or on your laps' is not really necessary, i think people would know where to store their bags/luggage properly!
It just would be nice for customers to be kept in the loop about why the booked traction isnt on the service including the first class.
A few times previously I have asked someone to move a bag so i can sit down, i dont get why some people think they are entitled to a double seat to themselves!
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Thats understandable as there is limited options to rescue them. And it is supposed to get bad later on.
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