Northern Class 331 East:West unit swap

[northwichcat]

Stoke services and glossop line services were going to be a mix of 3 and 4 car services, my guess would have been 4 cars at peak and 3 cars off peak.

I don't think it would have been as simple as that. That would have meant 4 car trains on another line at off peak time and 3 cars at peaks, or 4 car trains doing nothing for most of the day.

I think Sundays were supposed to be hourly Stoke to Blackpool, with no Macclesfield only services. So it may have been the intention was for a consistent Mon-Sat allocation but an exception for Sundays.

 

[Mamorin]

I think Sundays were supposed to be hourly Stoke to Blackpool

Sundays were ment to be hourly Stoke to Blackpool, the service going as far as piccadilly would have been busy not sure about the whole way to Blackpool though.

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So it may have been the intention was for a consistent Mon-Sat allocation but an exception for Sundays.

That may have ment Piccadilly to Stoke would have been 3 cars Monday-Sunday Stoke-Blackpool would have been 4 cars on Sunday.

Macclesfield to Blackpool may have been 4 cars them.

 

[jonesy3001]

Didn't grayling cancel the windermere electrification before the plans came out or after?

 

[Greybeard33]

Didn't grayling cancel the windermere electrification before the plans came out or after?

Windermere electrification was cancelled after Arriva had already ordered the 331s. Therefore DfT had to pay for Arriva to order additional 195s for Windermere.

I believe the original Arriva rolling stock plan, as described in the 2016 franchise agreement, allowed for very few if any 6-car formations in the North West. After the 331s were delivered, Arriva was planning to release 5 of the 32 319s and all of the 17 323s, leaving only 27 319s to supplement the 331s. The current plan is for 34 323s plus the 8 769s (which were converted from 8 of the original 32 319s), i.e 42 units to supplement the 331s.

 

[northwichcat]

I believe the original Arriva rolling stock plan, as described in the 2016 franchise agreement, allowed for very few if any 6-car formations in the North West. After the 331s were delivered, Arriva was planning to release 5 of the 32 319s and all of the 17 323s, leaving only 27 319s to supplement the 331s. The current plan is for 34 323s plus the 8 769s (which were converted from 8 of the original 32 319s), i.e 42 units to supplement the 331s.

I think under TPE 6 car workings to Blackpool were non-existent. There were some workings that saw 6 cars between Manchester Airport and Preston but they split there with one section going to Blackpool, and the other to Windermere or Barrow. Had Windermere electrification gone ahead, maybe we would still have a few workings like that each day?

 

[Mamorin]

I'm glad Northern kept the 323s as while the 331s have some great benefits fast acceleration, 100mph top speed etc… some Northern services don't need the 100mph top speed or the fast acceleration.

Take Piccadilly to Stoke for example, outside of the 2 extra peak services 331s are not needed. As 323s can keep to the tight timetabling on the line the rest of the day.

 

[reecestrains]

Morning. Can someone please confirm which unit is booked to go North West today?

There was movement between Neville Hill and Skipton yesterday, so possibly 112 has come down but I've lost track.

 

[Geeves]

107 and 112 are both showing to be at Neville Hill but as of 1030 are showing nothing allocated to them. Maybe nothing happening today

 

[reecestrains]

107 and 112 are both showing to be at Neville Hill but as of 1030 are showing nothing allocated to them. Maybe nothing happening today

Just keep us posted, I reckon if anything goes though it'll possibly be 112 as that came straight down yesterday, but let us know if anything gets allocated.

 

[superkev]

Just keep us posted, I reckon if anything goes though it'll possibly be 112 as that came straight down yesterday, but let us know if anything gets allocated.

NL to AN on RTT this aft -

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03378/2023-12-18/detailed.

2 paths from AN to NL cancelled this morning so where the hauling loco is I know not.
K

 

[reecestrains]

NL to AN on RTT this aft -

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03378/2023-12-18/detailed.

2 paths from AN to NL cancelled this morning so where the hauling loco is I know not.
K

The loco never left Neville Hill on Saturday as it had problems when trying to take 107.

 

[david l]

NL to AN on RTT this aft -

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03378/2023-12-18/detailed.

2 paths from AN to NL cancelled this morning so where the hauling loco is I know not.
K

Aren't all 9 331/0's on the east side? There are several 331/1's still on the east side, understand that (at least 3rd attempt) 331107 is booked today, but that after previous 'reluctance' for it to be friends with the 37, 331112 is a backup...........

 

[reecestrains]

Aren't all 9 331/0's on the east side? There are several 331/1's still on the east side, understand that (at least 3rd attempt) 331107 is booked today, but that after previous 'reluctance' for it to be friends with the 37, 331112 is a backup...........

So if 107 yet again refuses, then we know 112 will go.

I'll keep a watch as I'm around the area today.

 

[diligentdave]

This is supposed to be today's move.

0E17​

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08:20​

Allerton TMD​

Neville Hill T&RSMD​

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12:55​

37510​

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N/A​

5Q36​

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13:23​

Neville Hill T&RSMD​

Allerton TMD​

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16:55​

37510​

-​

331xxx (4car)​

 

[reecestrains]

Something has set off...

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It's 107!! At last!

 

[superkev]

This is supposed to be today's move.

0E17​

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08:20​

Allerton TMD​

Neville Hill T&RSMD​

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12:55​

37510​

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-​

N/A​

5Q36​

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13:23​

Neville Hill T&RSMD​

Allerton TMD​

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16:55​

37510​

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331xxx (4car)​

I think 9 of the 3 cars are for the East and all have now moved.
Of the 4 cars I have 331 001, 106 and 112 still to move to Allerton.
K

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Paths on RTT tomorow (Tues) for diesel loco AN to NL with ECS return in the aft most likely towing another 4 car 331.
K

 

[jonesy3001]

The loco is already on it's way back to neville hill.

Realtime Trains | 0Z17 1818 Allerton Depot to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D | 18/12/2023

Real-time train running information for 0Z17 1818 departure from Allerton Depot to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D on 18/12/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Adam0984]

331112 today's move and 331106 tomorrow (or that's the plan)

 

[jonesy3001]

331112 today's move and 331106 tomorrow (or that's the plan)

When will 101 move over?

 

[Adam0984]

I think we should keep 1
It's due to end its day at Neville Hill at 10:58 today so today could be its last day in service on the east

 

[reecestrains]

Unless they take 101 with 106 tomorrow, do a double.

If not, then when will 101 be going over?

 

[superkev]

Todays NL to Allerton on its way.
K

 

[darylyates17]

How many 331/1s are left to move over other than 101 & 106?

 

[Jamesrob637]

How many 331/1s are left to move over other than 101 & 106?

106 is moving over today.

 

[darylyates17]

106 is moving over today.

Thought it was 112 that was on its way.

 

[reecestrains]

106 is moving over today.

It was 112, 106 is on Bradford this evening according to RTT.

 

[3973EXL]

Realtime Trains | 5Q36 1323 Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D to Allerton Depot | 21/12/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q36 1323 departure from Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D to Allerton Depot on 21/12/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[david l]

Realtime Trains | 5Q36 1323 Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D to Allerton Depot | 21/12/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q36 1323 departure from Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D to Allerton Depot on 21/12/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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331101 on 20/12
331106 on 21/12

 

[reecestrains]

That should be all units swapped in time for Christmas. What an interesting swap this has been, most interesting with 331107!

 

[childwallblues]

Allerton has normally put the 331/1 straight into service on arrival but 107 has not been out yet. Perhaps its reputation has necessitated a visit inside.