Topological
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Is it because 103 came in on the HoW? (Based on earlier posts today)
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TfW 175 shortages
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Yes maybe it was at Swansea this evening as I think the next Heart of Wales service 18xx was a 150.
I noticed when I was at Swansea earlier 158832 was sat on platform 2 (I arrived at around 1220). It was them moved ECS around 1450. They also cancelled the 1448 Manchester at short notice despite knowing it was cancelled hours before as it was cancelled from Milford. I assume the random 158 was meant to run this. The reason given was no driver and they advised passengers to use the 1505 to get the Cardiff for onwards connections.
Frustratingly I almost did a trip to Llandeilo and back today planning on getting the 1138 out and 14xx back. My return trip would have been a 175. Probably my one and only chance to ride a 175 on the HOWL. I decided against it as the weather wasn't looking too good so went to Swansea for a walk around the Marina instead and only rode 153s (Swanline!). I had a look at the allocation this morning and I'm sure both HOWL I planned to get were sprinters. Oh well wasn't meant to be!
Edit I see 175103 ended up.doing a milford haven service from Swansea this evening. The one that starts at Swansea due to the MK4 diagram on 1630 Manchester replacing it to Swansea
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voyagerdude220
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This terminated at Swansea 140 mins late- Trust states parts of the big delay were caused by a combination of "Allocated Stock" and "Conductor/Train Manager." Not sure precisely what happened though.
Edit: Seems like a set swap to 150259 took place somewhere.
Blimey. Kind of glad I didn't make that journey if it was that late !
I noticed RTT said there was a set swap to a 150 yet the 175 ended up in Swansea later that day. Anyone know for definite what happened?
Now the 197 introduction is being really speeded up I think the 175s days are numbered. There didn't seem to be many 175s in service today. Lots of 158s and 150s covering on the Marches.
Western 52
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105 108 109 113 have all been working in west Wales today. Maybe why there are few on the Marches!
109 worked the 0730 from Manchester
113 worked the 1504 Milford Haven - Manchester
108 worked the 0539 Cardiff - Manchester and 0930 Manchester - Carmarthen
105 worked the 0558 Crewe - Carmarthen and 2005 Cardiff - Manchester
A lot of West Wales diagrams are interworked with Manchester/Crewe services and some West Wales - Cardiff services at some point in the day, mainly due to the mk4 services at Cardiff. It would mean re-writing the timetable and splitting more services if the remaining 175's were to be concentrated just on Manchester services.
TT-ONR-NRN
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175003 is allocated to go to Birmingham International today, from Holyhead and returning to Shrewsbury for a swap to 158s to continue on the Cambrian.
I've got 175109 for my trip to Manchester! Id forgotten the difference having 3 carriages makes. Maybe this will be my last 175 journey up to Manchester after about 17 years of using them regularly on this route.
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They seem to be popping up all over the place on routes they generally don't appear on like Vale or Glamorgan, HOWL and Birminghams. Almost like a farewell tour !
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CaergwrleKen
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175 003 and 010 are together and very unusually could go to Birmingham on 1I18 unless they get swapped, can’t remember ever seeing multiple 175 to Birmingham
Topological
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Congratulations. The 3rd carriage makes a huge difference. Even the 150s may be tolerable if they could add a 153 to keep it company.
I see some of them turning up but for me this week it was nominally 150 both ways. In reality the 0536 from Swansea did not run on Tuesday and then GWR cancelled the 0528 so I never actually made it to the 150 that ran 1W13. Southbound trespass at Stockport meant that the 150 that should have formed the 18:30 from Manchester span round at Wilmslow and pretended to be the 17:30, whilst the pair of 153s that were supposed to be the 17:30 arrived into Manchester at 18:01 and left on time as the 18:30.
Thankfully there is no need to go for a bit now. Who knows what we will be seeing
I must admit when I saw it allocated last night I was pleasantly surprised. But didn't bank on it until I saw it was still there this morning as things do change. The 0702 from Milford is more often than not a 150 when I've checked recently.
Whilst a 150 is bearable now given we are so used to them the 175 seems like travelling first class by comparison!
Quite lightly loaded before Cadiff, busy after Cardiff but nowhere near overcrowded and plenty of empty seats.
It's so annoying when they get turned back at Wilmslow or Crewe and you have to dash to Crewe on the northern if you.can. The 0536 Swansea seems to be removed from.the timetable regularly. Not one I'd rely on at the moment.
Topological
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1W13 is a train where you book an advance if you can, then know that the chances of a refund are very high. Just cannot rely on being in Manchester before 11:00 (or 12:00 many times this year).
The fact that Pyle went in as an official stop surprised me, when it was "service stop unadvertised" that made a lot more sense.
Hopefully the 197s will soon have all of this as a distant memory but for now the 175 shortages are definitely felt.
The fact that Pyle went in as an official stop surprised me, when it was "service stop unadvertised" that made a lot more sense.
Hopefully the 197s will soon have all of this as a distant memory but for now the 175 shortages are definitely felt.
Yes and not good to be cancelled at that hour of the morning! But at least if it was cancelled in advance you could get the next.train an hour or so later and not have such an early start. Plus having an advance ticket would generate a refund or delay repay. I think this past year I've claimed delay repay on more journeys than I haven't. Even local ones like Cardiff and West Wales I've put a claim in when entitled to it.
The 175 shortage is certainly not good especially as it has gone on since the Start of March, even before then really there were many 175 substitutions on long distance routes. But since March it's been most noticeable. Hopefully we are nearly at the end of it now.
Jacob Porrett
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https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:W26389/2023-07-06/detailed#allox_id=0 175010/003 to Chester then 150251 from Chester to Birmingham International.
william.martin
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Got swapped for a 150 at Chester.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Seems a pointless swap as 150251 can’t go beyond Shrewsbury on the return anyway, so might as well have kept the 175 on until then.
william.martin
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The 175's needed to take over from a 197 later on at Chester.
Seems to be quite an improvement today.
11 175's out. 2 are 2 car and 9 are 3 cars.
Current line up for Manchester - South Wales departing services
0730 - 3 car 175
0830 - 150
0930 - 2 car 175
1030 - Mk4
1130 - 3 car 175
1230 - 158 (Should be mk4)
1330 - 3 car 175
1430 - 3 car 175 (Should be mk4)
1530 - 3 car 175
1630 - Not allocated (Should be mk4)
1730 - 3 car 175 (Should be 150)
1830 - 150
1930 - 3 car 175
2030 - 2 car 175
11 175's out. 2 are 2 car and 9 are 3 cars.
Current line up for Manchester - South Wales departing services
0730 - 3 car 175
0830 - 150
0930 - 2 car 175
1030 - Mk4
1130 - 3 car 175
1230 - 158 (Should be mk4)
1330 - 3 car 175
1430 - 3 car 175 (Should be mk4)
1530 - 3 car 175
1630 - Not allocated (Should be mk4)
1730 - 3 car 175 (Should be 150)
1830 - 150
1930 - 3 car 175
2030 - 2 car 175
Topological
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Things are looking much better. It seems to be the Mk4 that are taking the day off. Of all the Mk4 diagrams the only one running is 1W13 north (starting Cardiff not Swansea) and then the 10:30 south from Manchester. I suspect the 1630 south is cancelled because the 1249 from Cardiff is, unless there will be a Mk4 to start north at Crewe ready to form the 16:30 south.
Should be 150 is not quite right though. Should be 175 but isnt because of the way TfW have failed the transfer to 197s. It is only should be 150 based on recent planning rather than historic. Both 08:30 and 18:30 should be mk4 but if for any reason the diagram is not booked as mk4 in the planning that is because all theoretical mk4 diagrams are not currently planned as mk4s.
Still much better day from a 175 perspective.
Should be 150 is not quite right though. Should be 175 but isnt because of the way TfW have failed the transfer to 197s. It is only should be 150 based on recent planning rather than historic. Both 08:30 and 18:30 should be mk4 but if for any reason the diagram is not booked as mk4 in the planning that is because all theoretical mk4 diagrams are not currently planned as mk4s.
Still much better day from a 175 perspective.
SuperLuke2334
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175003 on Cardiff Holyheads is running without any toilet facilities.
Topological
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That is a good effort, considering 175/0 nominally have two toilets.
What happens to someone on an advance who needs the toilet in such cases? Or does have everyone have to sprint while it reverses at Chester?
Train crew can arrange toilet stops at large stations as required if there are no working toilets onboard, there has very recently been a brief issued to traincrew regarding exactly that!
Anonymous10
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Still not ideal under any circumstances
Dai Corner
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Well they could cancel the train so that all passengers were treated identically, regardless of their need to use the toilet en route?
Not at all, units without working toilets are only supposed to work to their destination before being returned to a depot to be repaired I believe.
Rather cause delays here and there for arranged toilet breaks than either cancel the service, force people to leave the train to use facilties and wait for the next one, or leave people in discomfort with no facilities.
Anonymous10
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My comment of it being not ideal doesn't mean it's not the best solution they currently have to the issue.
Topological
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That is a good solution since the Marches trains do serve suitable places.
Be great if they could find a way for trains not to have their toilets locked out of use so often, but simple things can often be harder than they should be.
I was on a voyager this week with 4 toilets out of use at 9am. I think that is a particularly good effort. Off topic for this thread but relevant to the general question of whether 175s are alone, or indeed the use of 1 toilet units on Marches trains.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Unnecessary defensiveness. I personally wouldn’t want to stick up for the apparent “let’s let the things run down as soon they won’t be our problem” mentality of TfW. I’d be fuming if I was delayed due to toilets stops needing to be made in place of the two on-board toilets.
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