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Unusual delay reason shown on departure board
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Intercity110
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the driver could've pressed the uncouple button by accident although that is highly unlikely
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It appears the issue was on a freight train.
No, nothing at all like that... If you don't really have a clue probably best not commenting something completely wrong!
Intercity110
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i've re-worded it slightly.
william.martin
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So what was the issue then?
A freight train divided, I don't know how or why so I won't speculate on that.
You don't just press the uncouple button 'by accident'. To accidentally uncouple you'd need to go into the coupled cab, key in, cancel the AWS, set the desk up correctly and then press the uncouple button (and on modern units such as 195s and I suspect 80x the train will automatically recouple if not moved apart a certain amount of time since they were uncoupled). You don't just accidentally push a button from the front cab and leave a unit behind on the move!
A freight train split into several sections north of Peterborough causing one line to be shut and some delays whilst it was rectified.
Not common nowadays, but freight trains dividing unexpectedly have been a thing since the railways began - the main thing is that the portions come to a stand safely, which they did - unlike the bad old days of loose coupled trains without a continuous brake which could quite easily run away.
Not common nowadays, but freight trains dividing unexpectedly have been a thing since the railways began - the main thing is that the portions come to a stand safely, which they did - unlike the bad old days of loose coupled trains without a continuous brake which could quite easily run away.
Thanks for the clarification. I was definitely told they recouple but not to let it happen as it upsets the computer... either way you're not accidentally leaving coaches behind!On a 195 once the button is pressed even if the trains stay together they won't move again (together) till the full recoupling process has been completed. Computer says no.
Like you say the only way things are getting left behind is someone forgets to actually couple the sets or isn't told, that wouldn't be the first time ha! It's usually the other way round where stuff isn't detached and then suddenly at departure time of the xx:05 you're minus a train! Woops
Intercity110
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thanks for letting me know, as i’m not in the railway industry, i had no idea that was how (my only idea was from an Old wessex traind training video fpr 153s uploaded onto youtube)
It’s likely an auto-populated reason. The full reason would be too long to include.So whoever updates the PIS thinks freight trains consist of coaches
But I don’t know if that’s one of the auto-populated reasons available to whoever is operating that PIS. It might not be their fault. It’s still better than “operational incident”!
If it isn't, it should be - I would think a freight train uncoupling is a more likely occurrence than a passenger train doing so.
zwk500
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The delay code will probably be something like 'train divided', because fundamentally from an operational POV there's no real difference between a passenger or a freight train dividing.
In which case, Train becoming divided (or uncoupled) would be fine as an accurate reason on the PIS
zwk500
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Indeed, but in this case the PIS was set (whether manually or by default) to replace it with a message that sounds potentially a little less dramatic.
In a past era, especially with unfitted freights, hearing the bell code for "train divided" would be bad news enough for a signaller, but not as alarming as " train running away on right line", or worse still "train running away on wrong line". Not something which would have been made known to the travelling public I'd guess, even if there had been a system which was capable of doing so.
More options means more work to find the right one, it's a balance.
TT-ONR-NRN
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“Poor excuse”
You’re wording it as if it’s a serious matter. Whether they’ve said carriages or coaches, or sections or parts, you get the gist of what its saying and that’s what matters.
swt_passenger
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Did that take a few goes to get the timing exactly right, or is it from a video?
That one will be ‘an unusually large passenger flow’, it’s just the word ‘flow’ has been cut off.Did that take a few goes to get the timing exactly right, or is it from a video?
Most TOCs are using newer delay reasons with the equivalent reason for this being ‘overcrowding’.
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Exactly. I was just wondering if the capture of the scrolling message was skill or luck…
found it elsewhere, not mineDid that take a few goes to get the timing exactly right, or is it from a video?
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