Not to mention the prices are nothing to do with the TOCs, it's a standard add on to their London Terminals fare
There's a premium for using contactless the entire way sometimes, but a paper ticket to London Terminals, then contactless will always be cheaper than a through ticket.
It's possible to buy the GWR ones online, just not from GWR, it seems. I've bought them from London Northwestern Railway before, for example
How is it a premium when it costs less for a through paper ticket to Zone 1 than buying an e-ticket to London Terminals and using contactless in Zone 1 ?
Thank you - that's super helpful. I've indeed just been able to find them on the LNR site. Even by the standards of the UK rail industry, an utterly bonkers state of affairs!
Super Offpeak single NCL-KGX is £82.80 NCL- Zone 1 is £86.80 so £4 for the add on as opposed to £2.80 on Oyster
The previous posts referred to using contactless and claimed it was always cheaper than buying a through ticket which is not the case.
It is unknown at present. A lot of the fear about this proposal is about the loss of Cross London interchange with the switch from tickets with magnetic strips to tickets with full sized barcodes, but it is only speculation at the moment that Cross London travel would be lost.
Perhaps you should reply to the post that made that claim then.
I did, you replied (quoting just part of my post), to which I replied asking how a paper ticket had a premium when it was cheaper to buy same than use an e-ticket/contactless combination. Wallendsmag then replied but was talking about Oyster, not contactless, which I pointed out.
Going by what has been written in this thread, however, it seems that TfL has signalled clear intention to withdraw Credit Card Sized Tickets, but not to enable any replacement, other than its own solution.
It works fine on the Glasgow Subway, which also prints paper ITSO tickets at a higher expense than using a smartcard (although not as extreme as the Tube paper single/return fares), but with TfL…
The need for someone to be in a Compulsory Ticket Area if they are not travelling is a somewhat niche case.
TfL also use similar technology, with "paper" One Day Bus and Tram Passes bought from Oyster "Ticket Stops" having been issued on disposable Oyster cards for a few years now.
The Glasgow subway works just about because it’s smaller, and this might work just for paper TfL tickets, but the paper ITSO tickets are absolutely terrible for the environment, as they aren’t recyclable and are one use. Use on a scale as large as London Underground would be disastrous.
These are used in Kuala Lumpur on the local metro system. Coin shaped tokens bought from a machine and collected by the barrier on exit - just drop the token into a slot and the barrier opens. On the airport express they have a similar process but using credit card sized tokens.
The Bangkok airport line also uses coin shaped tokens.
However, we're not going to see that happen in London as it would require a huge investment in barriers to collect and read the tokens.
True enough - it makes much more sense from scratch.
The Hong Kong MTR has since then migrated to a contactless card which can be collected by the exit gateline, similar to the token mentioned above but being card-shape such that it can be compatible with existing hardware.
NR platforms aren't a CTA, the CTA starts on the ticketed side of the gateline or if you're going from NR to LU, when you cross the red line up to the bridge which takes you around the ticket barriers.
To be honest, I wasn’t entirely sure if LU CTAs were also enforced in the same way through Penalty Fares legislation - I’m aware from signage at West Ruislip that that is the case at that station.
The project - ITSO on Prestige - made LU gatelines accept ITSO back in September 2014.
Are all U zone tickets from outside the zones priced as a fixed amount above the fare between the outboundary origin/destination and the presumed interchange station?
