Ex LNER (and Grand Central) Mark 4 sets for TfW

[SuperLuke2334]

It was a Mk4 set when I travelled on it on Monday 13th February; Presumably the diagram has changed since then?

It is usually run as Mk4 when the sets need balancing. It will be a Mk4 diagram eventually though, when more sets are ready.

 

[sd0733]

Now it's

It is usually run as Mk4 when the sets need balancing. It will be a Mk4 diagram eventually though, when more sets are ready.

Now it's not an official Mk4 diagram, that has become more difficult as its now not a requirement for the crew on those jobs to sign it. The chances of every driver and guard over the whole day being Mk4 competent on a non-Mk4 diagram aren't that great as it stands!

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Now it's
Now it's not an official Mk4 diagram, that has become more difficult as its now not a requirement for the crew on those jobs to sign it. The chances of every driver and guard over the whole day being Mk4 competent on a non-Mk4 diagram aren't that great as it stands!

How confusing! I'm honestly surprised at that as you'd think that the diagrams would now be set up since December to have fully trained crew covering most of the diagrams.

 

[Scottish-Exile]

Can anyone confirm what's on 1W91 this morning, the 06:48 Cardiff - Holyhead?

 

[03_179]

Can anyone confirm what's on 1W91 this morning, the 06:48 Cardiff - Holyhead?

Set HD04
Sorry no idea on loco

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Set HD04
Sorry no idea on loco

Will be 67017.

 

[craigybagel]

How confusing! I'm honestly surprised at that as you'd think that the diagrams would now be set up since December to have fully trained crew covering most of the diagrams.

In the LTP they are marked as 67s and the jobs that cover those services have been placed only into the traincrew links that contain 67 qualified crew.

However, they have been STP amended to show as 150s. This means that if the crew that should be working it is unavailable (annual leave, sickness, whatever) the job can be allocated to someone who isn't qualified on 67s yet.

The training team are working flat out to get everyone trained up and they're doing a great job, but there's still a sizeable minority at Crewe and Cardiff mainline who don't sign them yet.

 

[daodao]

I may be making a journey from Manchester to Cardiff and return on 19th/20th April 2023, returning from Cardiff about 1630 on 20th April. How likely is the service to be run by the loco-hauled Mk4 carriages, or by class 175 or 158 or 150 dmus? Today (8/3/23), Real Time Trains shows the 1649 departure from Cardiff as being run by a 2 carriage class 150 dmu, which could be quite unpleasant for such a lengthy trip.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Nobody can know for certain, certainly at six weeks' range.
The 1649 is down as a Mk4 service, which is something.
But TfW's ability to keep to these stock diagrams isn't great, and a substitution could be by anything in the TfW fleet.
The 1714 to Holyhead is also down as a Mk4 set, so that's another option for a Mk4 ride at least as far as Shrewsbury, if you have a flexible ticket.

 

[D6130]

The 1714 to Holyhead is also down as a Mk4 set, so that's another option for a Mk4 ride at least as far as Shrewsbury, if you have a flexible ticket.

....or possibly even as far as Chester if your ticket permits.

 

[craigybagel]

I may be making a journey from Manchester to Cardiff and return on 19th/20th April 2023, returning from Cardiff about 1630 on 20th April. How likely is the service to be run by the loco-hauled Mk4 carriages, or by class 175 or 158 or 150 dmus? Today (8/3/23), Real Time Trains shows the 1649 departure from Cardiff as being run by a 2 carriage class 150 dmu, which could be quite unpleasant for such a lengthy trip.

1649 is likely to be a unit until the May timetable change. Best chance of a 67 on a weekday evening is 1714 Holyhead or 1850 Manchester - any thing else is unlikely unless there's a need to swap sets around

 

[berneyarms]

Irrespective of what timing loads on RTT etc show the only Booked Mk4 departures from Manchester are: 0627 and 1430, the Cardiff departures for Manchester are 1052 and 1855.

There are lots of Mods etc still taking place on the fleet, HD03 is at Landore still for SDO but is due out shortly with 67017 due to go down this week for testing it. Once That is released HD07 will take its place and will be the first to be reformed as a 5 car. There's also a programme of coupling replacements taking Place on a number of sets which takes them out of service at Crewe for approx 3 days.

There's still a lot of 'depot' training which needs to be undertaken, if any more sets than are currently used aren't on depots then this will never take place and crews then can't be passed out so it's better overall for a phased introduction.

Until May weekday diagrams are:
Mon-Fri 3 diagrams
06:27 Manchester to Cardiff
11:25 Cardiff to Holyhead
16:36 Holyhead to Cardiff

06:48 Cardiff-Holyhead
11:33 Holyhead to Cardiff
17:14 Cardiff to Holyhead

05:33 Holyhead to Cardiff
10:52 Cardiff to Manchester
14:30 Manchester to Cardiff
18:55 Cardiff to Manchester

Saturday 2 diagrams:
04:35 Cardiff-Manchester
08:30 Manchester-Cardiff
12:52 Cardiff-Manchester
16:30 Manchester-Swansea

04:54 Crewe-Cardiff
08:49 Cardiff-Manchester
12:30 Manchester-Cardiff
16:49 Cardiff-Manchester

Not a great day at all today, not a single set made a full diagram. Likely to only be the Holyhead start diagram out tomorrow.

The current Mark 4 diagrams were posted already in this thread. See quoted post above.

 

[tomm]

Is HD08-82220 in pieces not In use with TFW, is It true the 67s-82 DVTs-MK4s being withdrawn temporarily due to their unreliability.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Is HD08-82220 in pieces not In use with TFW, is It true the 67s-82 DVTs-MK4s being withdrawn temporarily due to their unreliability.

HD08 82220 is currently being fixed up ready for use. No they are not being withdrawn temporarily as far as I'm aware.

 

[tomm]

Ok just checking as it was mentioned on Facebook that Railtrack which now obviously are network rail want them off due to unreliability MK4s.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I don't think the railway works like that.
There are contracts in place which need to be honoured.

 

[Falcon1200]

Ok just checking as it was mentioned on Facebook that Railtrack

If somebody still thinks Railtrack is the national infrastructure operator their knowledge of today's railway would seem to be severely lacking!

 

[tomm]

So they are staying with TFW then.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 12 Mar 2023 ==

HD01 - 12225, 12315, 10325, 11323, 82226
HD02 - 12219, 12304, 10328, 11324, 82229
HD03 - 12217, 10312, 11325, 12446, 82216
HD04 - 12211, 12310, 10318, 11319, 82201
HD05 - 12224, 12326, 10331, 11320, 82200
HD06 - 12222, 12323, 10330, 11321, 82227
HD07 - 12210, 12452, 12316, 10301, 11322, 82230
HD08 - 12215, 12526, 12308, 10305, 11316, 82220
Spare Vehicles - 10307, 12229, 12324, 12434, 12447, 12454 12461, 12477 and 82204. 82206 the donor. Reds are HD01-HD03
Blacks HD04-HD08.
HD08.

 

[Anonymous10]

So they are staying with TFW then.

Yes 3 in service daily I believe while rest are away on mods and training

 

[158841]

2055 Cardiff to Crewe was stock recently and booked to call all shacks! How would this work!?

 

[sd0733]

2055 Cardiff to Crewe was stock recently and booked to call all shacks! How would this work!?

They're fitted with SDO. Can and do stop everywhere bar Yorton, Prees and Wrenbury.

 

[158841]

So if someone is on the platform waiting at these stations? or would it normally be a unit swapped onto it somewhere?

 

[sd0733]

So if someone is on the platform waiting at these stations? or would it normally be a unit swapped onto it somewhere?

If its still the Mk4s at that point then the train from those stations Is effectively cancelled and alternatives put in place or its wait for the next train. If it's on a working like that it's out of desperation so it's likely the whole working would have been cancelled if its got to the point of using Mk4s on a non booked working.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

So they are staying with TFW then.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 12 Mar 2023 ==

HD01 - 12225, 12315, 10325, 11323, 82226
HD02 - 12219, 12304, 10328, 11324, 82229
HD03 - 12217, 10312, 11325, 12446, 82216
HD04 - 12211, 12310, 10318, 11319, 82201
HD05 - 12224, 12326, 10331, 11320, 82200
HD06 - 12222, 12323, 10330, 11321, 82227
HD07 - 12210, 12452, 12316, 10301, 11322, 82230
HD08 - 12215, 12526, 12308, 10305, 11316, 82220
Spare Vehicles - 10307, 12229, 12324, 12434, 12447, 12454 12461, 12477 and 82204. 82206 the donor. Reds are HD01-HD03
Blacks HD04-HD08.
HD08.

HD08 is a red set. Its HD04-07 that are black.

 

[tomm]

HD08 is a red set. Its HD04-07 that are black.

Are they all MK4s HD01-HD08

 

[D6130]

Are they all MK4s HD01-HD08

Yes.

 

[JakeMurphy]

Is it true HD01 can’t be fixed??

 

[tomm]

What about 67025 not been used since 10th January has it when failed Dilmore on 1V46.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Is it true HD01 can’t be fixed??

HD01 has been out and about. I was on it only a couple of weeks ago.

What about 67025 not been used since 10th January has it when failed Dilmore on 1V46.

It's been in Crewe ETD on repair, I believe of which those repairs are nearly finished.

 

[sd0733]

Is it true HD01 can’t be fixed??

Not sure where that info has come from but it's miles wide of the mark. It's got worn wheelsets and needs new ones on one coach and is booked In for the work later in the week when there's space