Class 710 LO

[JonathanH]

Thanks, do you have the car types eg DMS MS etc for these?

Wikipedia says:

4 cars per 710/1 and 710/2 unit:
DMS-PMS(W)-MS-DMS

5 cars per 710/3 unit:
DMS-MS-PMS(W)-MS-DMS

 

[Tony2]

Thanks again, just need to link this formation, is this correct?

DMS 43217x -
MS 43227x -
PMS 43237x -
MS 43247x -
DMS 43257x

 

[3973EXL]

STP 06/09 5Q73 0915 Derby Lit - Ilford
37510 710270 37611

 

[swt_passenger]

Thanks again, just need to link this formation, is this correct?

DMS 43217x -
MS 43227x -
PMS 43237x -
MS 43247x -
DMS 43257x

Yes, in the ORR approvals letters dotted around in this thread the original 4 car setup includes an MS1, and they’re the 4322xx cars, and the 5th cars are referred to as MS2, they are the 4324xx series.

 

[Tony2]

Yes, in the ORR approvals letters dotted around in this thread the original 4 car setup includes an MS1, and they’re the 4322xx cars, and the 5th cars are referred to as MS2, they are the 4324xx series.

Much appreciated, thanks.

 

[Roger B]

STP 06/09 5Q73 0915 Derby Lit - Ilford
37510 720270 37611

Presumably 710270. Good to see it breaking cover at last!

 

[43102EMR]

Presumably 710270. Good to see it breaking cover at last!

Yes it was 710270 - just a couple of 710/3s left to be delivered to LO now I believe.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Yes it was 710270 - just a couple of 710/3s left to be delivered to LO now I believe.

Yes 710374 & 710375 left to come. That is assuming 710379 is at Ilford ?.

 

[43102EMR]

Yes 710374 & 710375 left to come. That is assuming 710379 is at Ilford ?.

Yes 379’s at Ilford - apparently being used for spares at the moment.

 

[KC1]

No idea sorry.

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No idea, sorry.

Do you have any idea?

 

[Electrojuniper]

Yes 379’s at Ilford - apparently being used for spares at the moment.

379 is currently being commissioned for service from derby - expected to be accepted by end of year and 270 following shortly there after………

 

[800001]

379 is currently being commissioned for service from derby - expected to be accepted by end of year and 270 following shortly there after………

Take it 379 is being ‘rebuilt’ after being used as a Xmas tree?

 

[JonathanH]

379 is currently being commissioned for service from derby - expected to be accepted by end of year and 270 following shortly there after………

What is it, and the other 'spare' 710s, actually needed for? The original reason for their purchase, extra 378s on the East London Line, is gone, according to other posts?

 

[Peter Sarf]

379 is currently being commissioned for service from derby - expected to be accepted by end of year and 270 following shortly there after………

A whole three months.

Take it 379 is being ‘rebuilt’ after being used as a Xmas tree?

That makes me wonder why 710270 will not be ready first ?. Or do they want 5car 710/3s more than 4car 710/2s. Puzzling as the Liverpool Street services seem to use (borrow) a few of the 710/2s.

What is it, and the other 'spare' 710s, actually needed for? The original reason for their purchase, extra 378s on the East London Line, is gone, according to other posts?

I wonder (hope) if the need on the ELR is delayed, not gone. Mind you they can always do with a few spares (units !) as no doubt the order quantity was pared down to the minimum. I suppose London Overground have an obligation to take what they ordered anyway ?.

 

[swt_passenger]

What is it, and the other 'spare' 710s, actually needed for? The original reason for their purchase, extra 378s on the East London Line, is gone, according to other posts?

Depends which other posts, that’s what I wondered too, and then the reply in post #2688 was the opposite - but without any supporting evidence…

 

[Electrojuniper]

Yes the decision was taken to finish the units going forwards at ilford rather than derby. 374/375 are being used to dynamically test software in derby, but the 378/710 plans remain, but delayed

 

[Roger B]

A whole three months.

That makes me wonder why 710270 will not be ready first ?. Or do they want 5car 710/3s more than 4car 710/2s. Puzzling as the Liverpool Street services seem to use (borrow) a few of the 710/2s.

I wonder (hope) if the need on the ELR is delayed, not gone. Mind you they can always do with a few spares (units !) as no doubt the order quantity was pared down to the minimum. I suppose London Overground have an obligation to take what they ordered anyway ?.

I went past Ilford depot on Wednesday, and there was a 710 poking our of the main shed. It may be one of the outstanding ones reported transferred (by road?) to Ilford, but I couldn't see it all, so no red line! But I'd be interested to know which one it was anyway, if anyone can update me.Thx

 

[Peter Sarf]

I went past Ilford depot on Wednesday, and there was a 710 poking our of the main shed. It may be one of the outstanding ones reported transferred (by road?) to Ilford, but I couldn't see it all, so no red line! But I'd be interested to know which one it was anyway, if anyone can update me.Thx

I might have to do a fly past to sate my curiosity. Maybe I will be lucky and id it.

 

[Pippy1505]

710374 has been out today being turned via Beighton and Sheffield

 

[800001]

710374 has been out today being turned via Beighton and Sheffield

Any idea why the units need turning?

 

[TRAX]

Any idea why the units need turning?

If you don’t evenly cook them both sides you don’t get the required shade of orange on the livery.

 

[Peter Sarf]

If you don’t evenly cook them both sides you don’t get the required shade of orange on the livery.

Oh I see, sun been shining for too long on one side. They left it a bit late to fade in the other side pfft .

710374 has been out today being turned via Beighton and Sheffield

Or does this mean 710374 might be coming South ?.

 

[Electrojuniper]

710270 ventured into Liverpool Street last night and onto WA network for shake down run. 379 next week from my understanding

 

[D365]

710374 has been out today being turned via Beighton and Sheffield

First time an Aventra has passed through Sheffield Midland? Unless the 345 movements to/from Worksop were routed this way.

 

[Electrojuniper]

Both 374/375 will be heading to ilford once they have finished tcms testing. 379 due to enter service from dec timetable change.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Ah ha 710379 lives !.

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Worked to Rugby and return on the morning of Friday 21/10/2022. Part of curtailed (test ?) runs Ilford to Nuneaton to Northampton to Nuneaton to Ilford. Whether that means it is ready for service I do not know and it did end up running late into Rugby and then missing out a few subsequent workings.

 

[GeoffS]

710379 outside Willesden depot today around 2pm, coupled to 710258.

 

[Acton1991]

Will the 710s replace all of the 378s at LO?

 

[JonathanH]

Will the 710s replace all of the 378s at LO?

No.

 

[swt_passenger]

Will the 710s replace all of the 378s at LO?

There are a few 378s that were intended to move from DC/NLL use to the ELL, but none are released. The majority of 710s were for West Anglia, the Goblin and Barking extension.