Barking - Gospel Oak

[BrianB]

Does anyone have background information why the data for this line for May hasn't been uploaded into systems yet, as all other LO lines were uploaded weeks ago

 

[greatkingrat]

I assume it is likely related to the opening of the Barking Riverside extension which should happen at some point before December.

 

[SargeNpton]

Which date are you looking at, and in which journey planner? National Rail Enquiries shows services on that route for 16th May.

 

[Taunton]

Which date are you looking at, and in which journey planner? National Rail Enquiries shows services on that route for 16th May.

One wonders who will win the race to open first, Crossrail, or Barking Riverside (which I believe started construction after Crossrail was meant to have been finished).

 

[swt_passenger]

For all dates in May RTT seems to have a fully VAR timetable showing, but it’s looking very like a normal service.

 

[306024]

For all dates in May RTT seems to have a fully VAR timetable showing, but it’s looking very like a normal service.

If you search RTT for Barking Riverside in July you’ll see the full WTT service. It will just be amended back to Barking by short term planning until it opens.

 

[BrianB]

I am seeing no LTP entries for the existing route from May onwards. A random search of RTT for Blackhorse Road for 8 June shows no trains.

 

[cle]

Barking Riverside has been a discreetly, very swift build without much public facing fuss. I do hope the house-building and place-making happens at scale, for the investment.

Will the timetable change considerably, or will it be a case of just starting back X minutes from Barking, per normal? And still at 4tph?

 

[SargeNpton]

I am seeing no LTP entries for the existing route from May onwards. A random search of RTT for Blackhorse Road for 8 June shows no trains.

Try any weekday between 16th May-3rd June. Looks as it the timetable is being rolled forward one week at a time - presumably until the Barking Riverside opening data has been confirmed.

For weekends engineering work may be taking places, but without the replacement buses yet input.

 

[306024]

I am seeing no LTP entries for the existing route from May onwards. A random search of RTT for Blackhorse Road for 8 June shows no trains.

Really? Works OK here. The full WTT service to Barking Riverside is currently shown on 8/6/22. Check the detailed filtering options.

 

[Freightmaster]

I am seeing no LTP entries for the existing route from May onwards. A random search of RTT for Blackhorse Road for 8 June shows no trains.

As per the previous posts, you need to change the services type to "calls only" to get trains to show on that date:

Realtime Trains | Departures from Blackhorse Road all day on 08/06/2022

Train information at Blackhorse Road all day on 08/06/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

If you set the search to "Passenger services", you won't get any results as the trains are currently suppressed:

Realtime Trains | Departures from Blackhorse Road all day on 08/06/2022

Train information at Blackhorse Road all day on 08/06/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

hope this helps,




MARK

 

[55002]

The driver will have to be quick at Riverside, only 1 min turnaround?

 

[Watershed]

The driver will have to be quick at Riverside, only 1 min turnaround?

Looks like there is a step back, with most trains having a ~17 minute turnaround.

It's rather inefficient, considering it's an end to end journey of just 38 minutes, with another long-ish turnaround of 12 minutes at the Gospel Oak end. But I suppose at least it should make for a reliable service.

 

[55002]

Ah you

Looks like there is a step back, with most trains having a ~17 minute turnaround.

It's rather inefficient, considering it's an end to end journey of just 38 minutes, with another long-ish turnaround of 12 minutes at the Gospel Oak end. But I suppose at least it should make for a reliable service.

Ah youre right..that makes more sense

 

[306024]

With a 15 minute service the alternative is a 7 minute turnround both ends, and that is only if optimal paths through Barking can be found that don’t conflict with c2c, and don’t foul freight paths between Barking and Stratford, which are fairly fixed across Forest Gate Jn.

 

[Watershed]

With a 15 minute service the alternative is a 7 minute turnround both ends, and that is only if optimal paths through Barking can be found that don’t conflict with c2c, and don’t foul freight paths between Barking and Stratford, which are fairly fixed across Forest Gate Jn.

Yes, a significant disadvantage of the new extension is that you suddenly "gain" a conflict with all the freight and C2C services towards Ripple Lane and Dagenham.

 

[swt_passenger]

Yes, a significant disadvantage of the new extension is that you suddenly "gain" a conflict with all the freight and C2C services towards Ripple Lane and Dagenham.

Isn’t the major grade separated junction near Renwick Rd aimed at reducing that?

 

[jopsuk]

Isn’t the major grade separated junction near Renwick Rd aimed at reducing that?

it'll reduce it, but won't remove the conflict with trains running in the same direction

 

[Class 170101]

It will remove a conflict at Barking Station Jn for services coming from Platform 1 at Barking, but inevitably it creates new conflicts elsewhere that have to be resolved.

 

[Mojo]

Will Goblin trains once the extension starts run over the existing flyover used by c2c services when diverted to/from Liverpool Street and serve platforms 7 and 8 at Barking?

 

[Freightmaster]

Will Goblin trains once the extension starts run over the existing flyover used by c2c services when diverted to/from Liverpool Street and serve platforms 7 and 8 at Barking?

Correct - it's the only way for trains to get from the GOBLIN to/from Ripple Lane.





MARK

 

[cle]

So GOBLIN won't be on p1 any more at Barking? What will?

 

[Horizon22]

So GOBLIN won't be on p1 any more at Barking? What will?

Probably very little / be used in terms of disruption to terminate short at Barking.

 

[swt_passenger]

I wonder if they’ll still open doors on both sides of the LU services on P2, as wasn’t that mainly aimed at GOB interchanging? Or am I out of date on that procedure?

(Using only one side would presumably reduce PTI risks from TfL’s point of view?)

 

[Horizon22]

I wonder if they’ll still open doors on both sides of the LU services on P2, as wasn’t that mainly aimed at GOB interchanging? Or am I out of date on that procedure?

(Using only one side would presumably reduce PTI risks from TfL’s point of view?)

I don't think you can get to Riverside from P1 or P2, so that seems unlikely.

 

[swt_passenger]

I don't think you can get to Riverside from P1 or P2, so that seems unlikely.

What I meant was with no trains using P1 the existing need for opening both doors isn’t there?

 

[Horizon22]

What I meant was with no trains using P1 the existing need for opening both doors isn’t there?

Ah I see. Yes I suppose not seeing as they won't regularly be using P2, and P7/8 is an island anyway.

 

[greatkingrat]

However the P1/2 island is the only one with a lift so I think they will still open doors both sides. If the district only used P3, then any passengers needing step free access would have to walk the length of P3, then down the ramp, across the subway, then back up the ramp and walk the length of P1 to get to the lift.

 

[swt_passenger]

However the P1/2 island is the only one with a lift so I think they will still open doors both sides. If the district only used P3, then any passengers needing step free access would have to walk the length of P3, then down the ramp, across the subway, then back up the ramp and walk the length of P1 to get to the lift.

Oh right, I wasn’t aware of that palaver…

 

[Class 170101]

Booked ECS once a day in the morning

Realtime Trains | 5L03 0414 Willesden T.M.D to Barking | 10/08/2022

Real-time train running information for 5L03 0414 departure from Willesden T.M.D to Barking on 10/08/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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appears to split for

Realtime Trains | 5J05 0535 Barking to Woodgrange Park | 10/08/2022

Real-time train running information for 5J05 0535 departure from Barking to Woodgrange Park on 10/08/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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and

Realtime Trains | 5J09 0604 Barking to Woodgrange Park | 10/08/2022

Real-time train running information for 5J09 0604 departure from Barking to Woodgrange Park on 10/08/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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