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Crossrail - Construction updates and progress towards opening (now expected 24 May 2022)

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kevin_roche

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Some interesting snippets in the latest publication of Jacobs reports on the TfL website. Bolding in the quotes is mine.


In period 11:
Page 3
Schedule milestones continue to trend towards P50 dates with prolongation pressures extant,
particularly with the Bond Street Station and Signalling contracts. We believe it likely that the
majority of the residual Project, Programme and Prolongation Risk will be utilised to offset emerging
issues. Consequently, it is likely that CRL will outturn close to its P50 forecast.
Page 5
RfLI and CRL have previously targeted the start of Stage 5B services on the deterministic date of
[REDACTED]. However, ongoing uncertainty with the availability of Auto-Reverse
functionality
has resulted in the planned start date changing to the P50 date of [REDACTED].
This change has affected Stage 5C opening, which has moved from December 2022 to May 2023.
RfLI still intends to connect the surface sections with the Central Section in [REDACTED] 2022 by
operating a Stage 5B Minus service. This maintains the principles of services from the GWML
terminating at Abbey Wood Station, and those from the GEML at Paddington Station. The peak
service level will be 22 TPH
(24 TPH for Stage 5B) and off-peak will be 16 TPH (20 TPH for
Stage 5B). This approach is expected to provide additional driver resource and recovery time to
compensate for the lack of Auto-Reverse. The decision to commit to Stage 5B Minus services in
[REDACTED] 2022 needs to be made in [REDACTED] 2022, to enable driver rosters to be developed in
time.
Work is still being undertaken to understand the criteria needed to support that commitment
decision (and subsequent stage decisions), with the focus upon reliability and delivery of scope.
Enhanced reliability is anticipated through software upgrades to signalling (ELR210) and rolling
stock (H5.7 and H5.8), and through continuous improvement of people and processes (RfLI RCC and
response staff, MTREL drivers and Train Maintainers). However, opportunities for testing and
reliability demonstrations will become more restricted once the railway enters passenger service.
Programme scope will remain for delivery after Stage 3 opening and CRL and RfLI are identifying the
critical items pertaining to Stages 5B Minus, 5B and 5C.
Our concerns last period about a Stage 5C opening in December 2022 were based upon the
uncertainty of Auto-Reverse functionality being in place, the schedule proximity to Stage 5B opening
and muted support from NR. The postponement of opening to May 2023 relieves these concerns,
albeit at the expense of delaying overall programme completion.
The revision of the Stage 5B and 5C opening dates is a pragmatic approach to managing the
uncertainties of the later stages of the project. The introduction of a Stage 5B Minus also mitigates
the delay in connecting the GE and GWML services with the Central Section. Nonetheless, we remain
concerned at the poor rate of reliability growth, and the impact upon the implementation of
Stages 5B Minus and 5B. Reliability must improve significantly over the next four periods to inform
the commitment decision to Stage 5B Minus. This will be a challenge when management focus is
likely to be on Stage 3 opening.


In period 10
Page 2
The Christmas/New Year blockades were implemented to plan, with signalling software ELR110 and
train software H5.4 successfully deployed, and outstanding rail systems works completed. However,
reliability running carried out in early January 2022 delivered mixed results. Unresolved known
faults such as those affecting the Timetable Processor and train cab HMI (Human Machine Interface)
persist, and new issues have arisen with the GEML signalling transition and yellow plant.
PPM levels are significantly below target with excessive times to recover the service compounding the problems.
Overall railway reliability still falls short of levels expected at this stage of Trial Operations. While
the decision to proceed towards Trial Operations Phase 2 was not wholly predicated on railway
performance levels, rapid improvements in reliability are now needed to demonstrate that
sustainable operations will be possible once passenger services have started.
All railway infrastructure installation is effectively complete, and future performance gains will be
achieved through major rail system software changes, process improvement and growing staff
experience. The software changes include a TVS upgrade and ELR200 deployment for signalling;
both are planned for Easter 2022, but neither is strictly necessary for entry into Passenger Service.

All of that seems to support a May or June opening rather than anything happening in April.
 
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Overall railway reliability still falls short of levels expected at this stage of Trial Operations
Doesn't sound too convincing does it, and somewhat links in to what some people noticed on RTT a week or two ago about the trial services not running to time at all.
 

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There's alot of mention of P80 in that document which suggests that it may not open now until June? I imagine the software updates that occur at Easter will throw up other issues that will delay until June
 

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Doesn't sound too convincing does it, and somewhat links in to what some people noticed on RTT a week or two ago about the trial services not running to time at all.

And that's without having any passengers! Just think what delays they can cause.
 

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14/5 is recognised as a possible start date by MTR according to the latest plan that I’ve seen.

I think it is also about the reopening date of Northern line (bank branch).

Rather makes it easier to update posters with maps at stations, online info, and car diagrams if have same date, as only have to do it once.

I wonder if will include Heathrow T4 as open and normal on maps, at same time for simplicity.
 

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I have been considering the numbers mentioned in my post above.

The peak service level will be 22 TPH (24 TPH for Stage 5B) and off-peak will be 16 TPH (20 TPH for Stage 5B).

In the current timetable, 2P70 and 2P74 are both run by TfL in the rush hour from Reading to Paddington. Another 10 services arrive in Paddington between 8am and 9am. It seems to me that the 5B minus service is likely to leave 2P70 and 2P74 running to Paddington Station. The remaining 8 services from the GWML and 12 from the GEML would make 20 tph, two leads than mentioned. Later in the day, there are only 6 or 7 trains arriving from the GWML so some Abbey Wood trains will likely have to start and terminate at Paddington.

Does anyone have any insight? Will there be fewer than 10tph at Abbey Wood during the off peak?
 
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The train can shunt itself in and out of the sidings at Paddington without the driver needing to be in the cab.

Not really needed for a 5 minute interval initial service, as there are 3 reversing sidings (actually one is a through loop), and would be sufficient time and drivers for them to walk one end to another.

Probably not needed if extending the Abbey Wood trains to GW mainline if frequency stays 12 per hour. But needed when core frequency opens
 

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I have been considering the numbers mentioned in my post above.



In the current timetable, 2P70 and 2P74 are both run by TfL in the rush hour from Reading to Paddington. Another 10 services arrive in Paddington between 8am and 9am. It seems to me that the 5B minus service is likely to leave 2P70 and 2P74 running to Paddington Station. The remaining 8 services from the GWML and 12 from the GEML would make 20 tph, two leads than mentioned. Later in the day, there are only 6 or 7 trains arriving from the GWML so some Abbey Wood trains will likely have to start and terminate at Paddington.

Does anyone have any insight? Will there be fewer than 10tph at Abbey Wood during the off peak?

its 22 tph each way.
 

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Not really needed for a 5 minute interval initial service, as there are 3 reversing sidings (actually one is a through loop), and would be sufficient time and drivers for them to walk one end to another.

Probably not needed if extending the Abbey Wood trains to GW mainline if frequency stays 12 per hour. But needed when core frequency opens

Trains can also reverse on the through East and West lines as required too?
 

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Auto-reverse as a concept and in actual practice, is very good IMO. It's simply a case of acknowledging a DMI indicator, moving the master controller to off and removing your key; then let the train do it's thing. You have to be in the leading cab during the initial move but if you're late, you will start moving backwards towards Paddington if a MA is issued, 30 seconds after keying off. You'll be halfway down the train at best. Good news is, the saloon doors won't open if you arrive at PAD before you get to the other cab and until you've put your key back in. Bad news is, if you need to stop the train in an emergency, you've got to make your way to the nearest cab in order to engage the EB.

However and AFAIK, there are still safety concerns at present to even think about extending it outside of the WBP turn backs. I know my union has discussed AR for the Plumstead shunt moves to Abbey Wood but outside of that, nothing else. There are scenarios where unplanned AR moves in the tunnels themselves exist (AKA Zorro moves - from east to westbound and vice versa) and although we have done these in dynamic testing, I'm not aware they've been signed-off either.
 

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Auto-reverse as a concept and in actual practice, is very good IMO. It's simply a case of acknowledging a DMI indicator, moving the master controller to off and removing your key; then let the train do it's thing. You have to be in the leading cab during the initial move but if you're late, you will start moving backwards towards Paddington if a MA is issued, 30 seconds after keying off. You'll be halfway down the train at best. Good news is, the saloon doors won't open if you arrive at PAD before you get to the other cab and until you've put your key back in. Bad news is, if you need to stop the train in an emergency, you've got to make your way to the nearest cab in order to engage the EB.

However and AFAIK, there are still safety concerns at present to even think about extending it outside of the WBP turn backs. I know my union has discussed AR for the Plumstead shunt moves to Abbey Wood but outside of that, nothing else. There are scenarios where unplanned AR moves in the tunnels themselves exist (AKA Zorro moves - from east to westbound and vice versa) and although we have done these in dynamic testing, I'm not aware they've been signed-off either.
Interesting. I had assumed that it would be possible for the driver to open a panel in any carriage with their key and hit an emergency stop button.
 

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Auto-reverse as a concept and in actual practice, is very good IMO. It's simply a case of acknowledging a DMI indicator, moving the master controller to off and removing your key; then let the train do it's thing. You have to be in the leading cab during the initial move but if you're late, you will start moving backwards towards Paddington if a MA is issued, 30 seconds after keying off. You'll be halfway down the train at best. Good news is, the saloon doors won't open if you arrive at PAD before you get to the other cab and until you've put your key back in. Bad news is, if you need to stop the train in an emergency, you've got to make your way to the nearest cab in order to engage the EB.

However and AFAIK, there are still safety concerns at present to even think about extending it outside of the WBP turn backs. I know my union has discussed AR for the Plumstead shunt moves to Abbey Wood but outside of that, nothing else. There are scenarios where unplanned AR moves in the tunnels themselves exist (AKA Zorro moves - from east to westbound and vice versa) and although we have done these in dynamic testing, I'm not aware they've been signed-off either.

What's DMI?

What's WPB?

Thanks.
 

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14 May also has the advantage of being a week after the local elections, so free of purdah restrictions and thus enabling politicians to be part of the publicity surrounding the launch (even if the formal/royal opening is a few weeks later).
 

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So will end up like Thameslink less than design capacity. At least the Victoria Line ran at its full design throughput before covid.
If the demand for 24tph on TL persisted, it would have been implemented, partiularly as once the 2018 timetable problems (which were mainly caused by the lack of trained drivers) were solved, the services generally ran well. COVID-19 changed all that.
 

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Interestingly I just had a team from Kantar onboard the Paddington - Heathrow T5 TfL Rail service asking how each passenger was paying / where they were getting off.
 

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Interestingly I just had a team from Kantar onboard the Paddington - Heathrow T5 TfL Rail service asking how each passenger was paying / where they were getting off.
That's a ticketless travel survey they extrapolate the data and fine MTR for every person without a valid ticket
 

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Interestingly I just had a team from Kantar onboard the Paddington - Heathrow T5 TfL Rail service asking how each passenger was paying / where they were getting off.

That's a ticketless travel survey they extrapolate the data and fine MTR for every person without a valid ticket

Who are Kantar? If it's a "survey", do they have the right to demand to see tickets, as opposed to just asking if you'd tell/show them?
 

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Who are Kantar? If it's a "survey", do they have the right to demand to see tickets, as opposed to just asking if you'd tell/show them?
A survey organisation who mainly do local government /public sector surveys.

I think if you refuse to show them, it is classed as not having a valid ticket for the purposes.of the survey. But there are no repurcussions on the person refusing to show the oyster.
 
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