LolI never knew I had OCD until that remark lol
LolI never knew I had OCD until that remark lol
I agree.It really does look dire. If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. Job done.
I love the colour scheme, it's a fantastic modern take on the old BR livery with more modern tones. I like the secondary use of the red diagonal on the coach, the leading, larger red flash less so. Overall I'd be happy if all of our trains looked like that.Interesting mock up doublearrow on Twitter just posted:
XP22? Interesting (if a little nostalgic) take on the Great British Railways brand provided by the Institution of Mechanical Engineers (http://imeche.org) presumably using a GWR IET as a starting point…
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Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have nowA few things
I think that there should be a livery for each sector (intercity, regional, local etc)
I think the colours above contrast too much. As much as we love them, we shouldn’t force ourselves to stick with the old liveries and colour schemes.
What problem is this supposed to be fixing? What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains.
Why? Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? I can only see negatives.If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case.
What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? The current lot is an absolute mess. Nothing to bring it all together. Not even all yellow fronted anymore. The system just looks like a disparate random mish mash of different organisations each running trains in their own way.Why? Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? I can only see negatives.
Damaged marketing and branding. The good services get dragged down by the bad ones for a start.What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? The current lot is an absolute mess. Nothing to bring it all together. Not even all yellow fronted anymore. The system just looks like a disparate random mish mash of different organisations each running trains in their own way.
Judging from the signage and station painting they will choose something somewhere between boring and ugly, and we will be stuck with it everywhere, for ages.Something timeless. It still has to look good decades from now.
But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus, and I use trains to get away from buses.Judging from the signage and station painting they will choose something somewhere between boring and ugly, and we will be stuck with it everywhere, for ages.
I might give the Treasury a bell and suggest that thousands of commuter trains make fantastic moving billboards and there must be some money there. At least it wouldn't be boring.
That's good, as long as this is true the other way round as well.But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus.
One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved.Why? Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? I can only see negatives.
Endless rebranding - how often is it more often than they need refreshing anyway?One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved.
You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. In Germany for example it's clear which trains are inter city and regional, here with all different operators in different states of branding transition who knows what to look out for.
Wholely agree. We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. The rail system is a public service not an art gallery.One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved.
You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. In Germany for example it's clear which trains are inter city and regional, here with all different operators in different states of branding transition who knows what to look out for.
The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. Can you only be professional if every rail person works in the same uniform?Wholely agree. We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. The rail system is a public service not an art gallery.
A railway works best as a single unit. Differences should merely be factual, not corporate. There just isn't room on a well functioning railway for true competition, so you might as well focus on the passenger experience, not the rail operator experience.The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. Can you only be professional if every rail person works in the same uniform?
The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. Can you only be professional if every rail person works in the same uniform?
That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread).A railway works best as a single unit. Differences should merely be factual, not corporate. There just isn't room on a well functioning railway for true competition, so you might as well focus on the passenger experience, not the rail operator experience.
It does because it's public perception. If they are going down the GBR route, which is just nationalisation with extra steps, it needs to look the part (the national part, not the extra steps part).That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread).
It doesn't have any relevance to what colour the trains are.
Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? I think you are mixing up ownership with some form of ideological uniformity.It does because it's public perception. If they are going down the GBR route, which is just nationalisation with extra steps, it needs to look the part (the national part, not the extra steps part).
It looks like BR. And why call it G-BR if it's nothing like BR?Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? I think you are mixing up ownership with some form of ideological uniformity.
I also think you have made a few jumps from what GBR really will be.
The BR that believed in having multiple liveries and brands? Or the awful corporate blue BR?It looks like BR. And why call it G-BR if it's nothing like BR?
How was blue BR that bad. Sure, the Pacers, but a lot of other good units came out of it. Today they are seen as ancient, but back then, it was a revolution compared to what came before.The BR that believed in having multiple liveries and brands? Or the awful corporate blue BR?
Its GBR because the silvertops who are the core Tory vote wanted nationalisation (and bobbies on bikes cuffing kids round the ears etc) because they have some faulty nostalgic view of BR, because Boris wants to wave the flag, and most importantly because the Treasury want more control over the DfT shambles.
However leasing stays, TOCs stay, and the paper said that once things are more stable the more successful TOCs will get back more power over timetables, pricing etc.
Its more like the Treasury have have sent in the administrators, to stabilise the leaking ship.
But anyway thats for another thread. No one has explained why even a nationalised railway needs all its trains to be in the same colour, as though branding has been uninvented.
No. That’s just confusing. It’s an intercity train or it’s a regional train or it’s a whatever else train but it shouldn’t be area spefific.Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now
Blue ish for scotland, orange in the west midlands, green in the southwest etc