South Eastern High Speed and London Terminals Tickets

[kieron]

simply because you\u2018re coming from the wrong direction

Would you like to expand on that? There's more than one "direction" involved in this scenario, so I don't know what you're saying here.

 

[BluePenguin]

Would you like to expand on that? There's more than one "direction" involved in this scenario, so I don't know what you're saying here.

Because with a “plus high speed” ticket and travelling on HS1, you approach Farringdon from the North passing through St Pancras - as you would from St Albans. These fares have the same validity through the core to Farrindon as those with a destination of London Thameslink.

On a “not valid on HS1” you approach Farringdon from the South passing through London Bridge.

The above ticket valid on HS1 also permits you to reach Farringdon from the South. However, the other is only valid as far as City Thameslink. Stations in Hertfordshire are a different kettle of fish. This is what is meant by a different direction. Programming validity coming one way but not the other, except in special circumstances is very tricky!

 

[Wallsendmag]

Would you like to expand on that? There's more than one "direction" involved in this scenario, so I don't know what you're saying here.

Because you're coming from the North you've already passed through the valid London Termonals, without making every London Terminals ticket valid for this easement it's impossible. Unless of course SE use a London Thameslink destination which may have it's own problems.

 

[Haywain]

What makes it difficult? There are already "not HS1" tickets between Farringdon and Sittingbourne, so what would stop Southeastern from creating "Plus High Speed" ones?

Tickets issued specifically to/from Farringdon have nothing to do with the difficulties of London Terminals tickets not being valid at stations on the ‘wrong’ side of Farringdon.

 

[paul1609]

Because you're coming from the North you've already passed through the valid London Termonals, without making every London Terminals ticket valid for this easement it's impossible. Unless of course SE use a London Thameslink destination which may have it's own problems.

GTR started offering London Thameslink tickets a couple of years back from most Southern stations. Southeastern didn't I understand because when Crossrail opens it will become the shortest route to Farringdon from a lot of North Kent and hence cause even further complications.

 

[Haywain]

GTR started offering London Thameslink tickets a couple of years back from most Southern stations. Southeastern didn't I understand because when Crossrail opens it will become the shortest route to Farringdon from a lot of North Kent and hence cause even further complications.

Offering a London Thameslink destination would reduce the London Terminals availability, taking Cannon Street, Charing Cross, Waterloo and Victoria out of the equation, which might seem a bit extreme just to allow booking engines to offer itineraries to Farringdon.

 

[FlippyFF]

Last weekend I had to work in London, being devoid of a season ticket, I bought two Ashford Int. <> London Terminal via HS1 returns on my 'Key' and used contactless bank card on the Circle line between St P. and Moorgate. Returning on Sunday evening I forgot myself and swiped my Key at Moorgate and to my amazement it let me in and out again at St P.!

In regards to London Terminals for Thameslink, my understanding was it is valid to Farringdon from the north and to City Thameslink from the south. If it is officially available from the north to City Thameslink I've wasted a fortune over the years (I have the kind of luck that says I would have been caught if it weren't valid but I had been doing it).

Simon

 

[miklcct]

If it is officially available from the north to City Thameslink I've wasted a fortune over the years (I have the kind of luck that says I would have been caught if it weren't valid but I had been doing it).

Simon

It's officially stated, on National Rail Enquiries, that a "London Terminals" ticket routed "Plus High Speed" is valid for use on the Thameslink to connect to the southern terminals from St Prancas.

 

[Haywain]

In regards to London Terminals for Thameslink, my understanding was it is valid to Farringdon from the north and to City Thameslink from the south.

Other than for tickets routed Plus High Speed, Farringdon is not a London Terminals station from either direction.

 

[FlippyFF]

It's officially stated, on National Rail Enquiries, that a "London Terminals" ticket routed "Plus High Speed" is valid for use on the Thameslink to connect to the southern terminals from St Prancas.

Has this always been the case?

 

[Hadders]

Has this always been the case?

For several years. Can’t be any longer than 12 years though as domestic HS services only started in 2009.

 

[BluePenguin]

For several years. Can’t be any longer than 12 years though as domestic HS services only started in 2009.

That is an interesting points. Does anyone who was an adult at the time remember what the rules were on travelling to Faringdon back in the day?

I was only young but don’t remember seeing any First Capital Connect posters

 

[Haywain]

That is an interesting points. Does anyone who was an adult at the time remember what the rules were on travelling to Faringdon back in the day?

I was only young but don’t remember seeing any First Capital Connect posters

Before the London Thameslink fare group you needed a ticket to Zone U1 or a Travelcard to travel to Farringdon from the MML stations.