221129
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News this morning that 7 out of the 8 Chiltern class 68s have been found to have cracks on the ETS Mountings.
Both CR 68 diagrams being covered by units UFN.
Both CR 68 diagrams being covered by units UFN.
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Chiltern Class 68s withdrawn due to cracks
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221129
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Just because it has only just been discovered on the CR fleet so far, I am sure the rest will be inspected shortly.
Nym
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I thought Chiltern had modified their Mk.3 DVTs to provide ETH so the loco doesn't provide it?
Speed43125
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Most if not all of the DVT generators are no longer functional, since 68s came it has been okay to allow the lococs provide the ETH.
I thought it was in at idling in stations during turnaround that was the problem, much like with the Irish mk.3 sets?
I don’t ever recall them running in the stations to be honest, though I more often than not saw them in Marylebone than Birmingham so the DVT may be switched on there (as well as during stabling in Wembley / Banbury / Stourbridge).
Certainly this thread from 2011 reveals some answers to the questions asked so far:
chiltern Mk3 DVT generator vans.
The first of the DVT generator conversions is on site at Wembley. 82304 was worked from Loughborogh yesterday. I will try and get some pictures both interior and exterior tomorrow ....
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CBlue
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Curious. This hasn't generated quite so much hyperbole and outrage on here as the cracks appearing on the 800s and their derivatives?
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Locomotives can do no wrong.
In all seriousness, the Cl68s operate on very select routes. The AT300s have become a backbone of the country, for better and for worse.
In general these locomotives work few services, which appear to have almost all been covered? Therefore any disruption appears to be very minor compared with GWR.
Failed Unit
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yep. Same when the 180s don’t play. Inconvenience yes - but most the country don’t notice. The areas they serve have a plan b. With chiltern we see a few cancellations but everyone can still get to where they want to be. Unlike on FGW
Equally, DRS has sent at small number of replacement 'Spare' locos down to Chiltern already, so it's even less of an inconvenience.
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I'm sure at least one operator had to do some sharpish checks on their 156s in recent days too, resulting in quite a few swaps and delays, but they can do no wrong apparently.
Failed Unit
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If it is EMR. the list of short forms seems about the same.
now off looking for the thread. Not seen any 156 issues.
Isnt that just 68018?
That was DB Red 67018 before the switch to 68s.
The two DRS liveried 68s with AAR couplers for working with Chiltern's Mk3s are 68008 and 68009, with 68010-15 being the Chiltern ones.
No. 68018 worked light engine to Wembley from Crewe. I wasn't sure if there was another non-Chiltern 68 or not.
01d-and
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68008 was on a Chiltern service in Birmingham Moor Street on Wednesday the 19th.
50039
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Just seen on Railcam that there’s a Chiltern 68 on 1H22 this morning - is the problem solved?
The EMR 156 fleet had to undergo additional safety checks on Friday night/Saturday morning which caused a number of delays/cancellations. Nothing to do with cracks or anything like that though.
warwickshire
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68010 only one in use.
Iff 68010 repair or examination. Temporary measure will be a 168.
However 68018. Is being used as a emergency use only rescue response locomotive based at Wembley.
Because in the past even 66 locomotives have assisted the 68s when failed out on the chiltern mainline. Rare but has most certainly happened before.
RPM
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I understand the plan is to run the one remaining Chiltern 68 without the cracks in service (can't remember which one it is, sorry), with 68018 brought in to act as a Thunderbird.
warwickshire
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It is with 68010 the oxford flyer
50039
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Thanks - understood. I see 1H22 didn’t run today
warwickshire
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Could be quite possible recently there have been a few failures on there. In recent times.68018 is annoyingly required for me. I flagged it on the fife circle once for an HSTDoubt there's any chance of getting it in service on the Chiltern again.
Lucky could well hopefully come your way
I believe there is no through control to the DVT on the non-chiltern tasked 68s. So the train would not be able to go in a Southerly direction should 68018 be attached to the non-blunt end.
Happy to be corrected, but I think it's only the DRS / CRCL pool locos that can actually haul the mkIII and DVT stock in service.
However, should 68010 fail en route, it's guaranteed that 68018 (at this point in time) would be attached to the formation.
Correct. However two non AAR fitted 68s have been provided top n tail in the past. 68018 being one of them.
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Yes and also train will end its journey at the next immediate station.
However with slam doors wasn't a issue only the loss off bell buzzer only.
However on the plug doors is different hence termination at the next immediate station it is rescue only.
Also coaches will require a isolation switch to be operated for traction interlock so brake can get released from both ends etc. Due to the above mentioned system. Not ideal but a rescue only situation.
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