Siemens for Eurostar

[Kingfisher200262]

Yeah. Because everyone else does, right?

Probably me just being mischievous, but it occurs to me that both Alstom and Bombardier have central sourcing units in China buying components for their worldwide projects (e.g. the entire interiors for the new and refurb SSL stock is manufactured in China) and Alstom has 13 (yes THIRTEEN) manufacturing plants of its own in China.

Errr, this is because they want to retain sustainable European manufacturing and support their own national interests, right? No, it's because they are in business to make profit, and rightly so.

This is the globalised world we live in... we should get used to it and so should the national and Continental (is that a correct description for the EU?!??) Governments.

 

[WatcherZero]

Its a bit different making the seat covers in china versus making the traction motors in china.

 

[Kingfisher200262]

Its a bit different making the seat covers in china versus making the traction motors in china.

And what's wrong with Chinese traction motors? They work fine on Chinese trains? I've travelled thousands of miles on Chinese railways and have never experienced a traction motor failure.

 

[asylumxl]

Its a bit different making the seat covers in china versus making the traction motors in china.

In all honesty, I've got many major brand electronics that work perfectly, have good build quality and have lasted years, which have been made in China.

Aslong as the manufacture is properly regulated and good quality control is mantained I don't see what would be wrong with producing traction motor in China anyway.

 

[WatcherZero]

Im not saying it as a quality issue, im saying that they wont do it for preservation of technology, domestic skills base and national pride.

 

[EWS 58038]

Eurostar shows e320

http://www.digitalnewsagency.com/story/view/4973-eurostar-invests-700m-and-unveils-newest--addit/all


And it looks stunning... Can't wait to see it in Amsterdam.

 

[Crossforth]

Is it just in London for the day? As I will be in London on Saturday :?

 

[gordonthemoron]

I was thinking earlier that having trains made by two different manufacturers might mitigate snow (or other) problems that E* experienced last winter

Having said that, the Velaro-D shown in Berlin last week did not look as good as the exisiting ICE-3, and whilst I don't like the cabs of the ICE-T there is less of a mess on the roof of those trains than on ICE-3 or Velaro-D sets

 

[EWS 58038]

Can't wait to see Eurostar operating it's service to Amsterdam. At least one success story for our four times over budget HSL-Zuid.

 

[Snapper]

Here's the train on display in Hyde Park:

http://www.paulbigland.fotopic.net/c1904512.html

 

[j0hn0]

Here's the train on display in Hyde Park:

http://www.paulbigland.fotopic.net/c1904512.html

always there Paul, spot on

Looks like an air max trainer

Also good news, at least for me, the interior will be designed by pininfarina and NOT DB, hurray!

Do we really need to befoul the front of such a lovely train with the british high vis yellow? Is this really required on high speed lines?

 

[Drsatan]

Do we really need to befoul the front of such a lovely train with the british high vis yellow? Is this really required on high speed lines?

Good question. Will the ICE3 set running to St Pancras later this month (or any foreign-operated train), need hi-vis yellow ends to operate on HS2?

 

[jopsuk]

As I'm discussing with @boriswatch on twitter at the moment- surely the top sepeed is wasted? There's very, very little 320km/h track in Europe. Unless they're just future-proofing, perhaps with an eye to running down LGV-Est? Certainly no 320km/h in UK, the Pas de Calais, Belgium or The Netherlands. Having 320km/h max stock running on a max 300km/h network would be like having 140mph stock running on a 125mph network... ie a bit like the ECML and WCML electrics...

 

[gordonthemoron]

there isn't even any 320k track in Germany

 

[EWS 58038]

LGV Nord has large sections of 320 km'h allowances under good weather conditions. It is common for Thalys trains to catch up some time between Lesquin and Remy at 320 km'h if they are a little late. And even at 320 km'h your well within safety limits which are topped at 345 km'h for that line.

As for Holland....

Section 1 (Hoofddorp - Rotterdam) only allows speeds up to 250 km'h due to the "Crazy cow tunnel".
Section 2 (Rotterdam - Antwerp) allows speeds up to 300 km'h and has been tested at 345 km'h as top safety limit. So 320 km'h could be possible... but wouldn't make any commercial sence.

 

[j0hn0]

there isn't even any 320k track in Germany

The first time I went on an ICE3, I took a high spec tomtom prototype on the journey between Frankfurt Airport and Koeln Messe/Deutz and the fastest we reached was 198mph.

And seeing as it had to be in a long open section without tunnels, maybe there are sections that can be pushed higher if conditions allow and the train is late (which is frequent in my experience)

Or maybe the driver was fined for caning it too much though

Either way, more is always better. By being capable of more, you are not always running at maximum capacity.

Still no Velaro double deckers in the pipeline though?

 

[gordonthemoron]

whilst the top speed of ICE3s is supposed to be limited to 300k in Germany, I have been on a late running one between Frankfurt airport and Cologne which clocked 329k according to the in coach display screens. The coaches themselves show a maximum speed on the outside of 330k

 

[Goldfish62]

Good question. Will the ICE3 set running to St Pancras later this month (or any foreign-operated train), need hi-vis yellow ends to operate on HS2?

It was reported on this Forum that because HS1 is not operated by NR, any trains operating on it that do not go onto the NR network do not require yellow ends.

So I'm confused.

 

[LE Greys]

It was reported on this Forum that because HS1 is not operated by NR, any trains operating on it that do not go onto the NR network do not require yellow ends.

So I'm confused.

The SNCF BB 22200s that worked through the Chunnel had yellow ends, I believe, and they could not operate beyond Dolland's Moor. I'd imagine that any ICE set working service trains would be required to have a yellow end, and if anyone cares to mock one up on Photoshop, I would be very interested.

 

[Crossforth]

The SNCF BB 22200s that worked through the Chunnel had yellow ends, I believe, and they could not operate beyond Dolland's Moor. I'd imagine that any ICE set working service trains would be required to have a yellow end, and if anyone cares to mock one up on Photoshop, I would be very interested.

They were also give the class 22 in TOPS

 

[EWS 58038]

I think it will be Yellow or White. European UIC standard rules require trains to have a 1 by 1 metre white or yellow part at the front. And as HS1 is build to UIC standards and the e320 would not have to go on any other British part of the network, it could be either yellow or white as both would comply to safely legislation.

 

[The Barlow Boy]

The yellow ends on 373s and future Eurostar stock are - I was told by a Eurostar managerial type - part of the livery branding and is an iconic symbol.

 

[317653]

The new trains look the basically the same as the 395's.

 

[asylumxl]

The new trains look the basically the same as the 395's.

A world apart mechanically.

Aerodynamics dictate the shape, so it's not suprising they'd be similar shapes.

 

[jon0844]

If they're going to run these trains to Amsterdam, can they make it look like a giant spliff?!

 

[atomicdanny]

If they're going to run these trains to Amsterdam, can they make it look like a giant spliff?!

I thought that it would need a carriage that is only lit up by red lights

 

[Daimler]

I think it will be Yellow or White. European UIC standard rules require trains to have a 1 by 1 metre white or yellow part at the front. And as HS1 is build to UIC standards and the e320 would not have to go on any other British part of the network, it could be either yellow or white as both would comply to safely legislation.

Really? How do the French get away with still building brand new TGVs with all-over silver front ends, and new freight locos with all-over green front ends? Don't these standards apply here?

I'm not necessarily doubting you, I genuinely don't know...

 

[jon0844]

Do they need to abide by ANY rules?!

 

[90019]

Really? How do the French get away with still building brand new TGVs with all-over silver front ends, and new freight locos with all-over green front ends? Don't these standards apply here?

I think the answer is simply because they're the French, and as such will ignore things like that if they want to.

 

[Bastiaan]

I think it will be Yellow or White. European UIC standard rules require trains to have a 1 by 1 metre white or yellow part at the front. And as HS1 is build to UIC standards and the e320 would not have to go on any other British part of the network, it could be either yellow or white as both would comply to safely legislation.

One square metre yellow or white on the front is a Dutch regulation, not a European standard. Otherwise there wouldn't be trains with grey, red, green, blue or even black fronts in other European countries.
The fact that HS1 is built to continental standards doesn't automatically mean that British safety regulations don't apply there. It's still a line that is situated in Britain.