Skegness HST 2020

[sufian123]

Please bear in mid, EMR have run no trains to York/Scarborough, during this pandemic. I hope they do run the Scarborough service.

 

[High Dyke]

Thought to be the first use of an ex-LNER set today (subject to change) allocated to 1S01 / 1S03.
43295 44070 42152 42157 42156 42155 40700 41069 41079 43305

 

[WesternLancer]

Thought to be the first use of an ex-LNER set today (subject to change) allocated to 1S01 / 1S03.
43295 44070 42152 42157 42156 42155 40700 41069 41079 43305

will be interesting to see any pics from the route then

 

[43 302]

Thought to be the first use of an ex-LNER set today (subject to change) allocated to 1S01 / 1S03.
43295 44070 42152 42157 42156 42155 40700 41069 41079 43305

Technically first use of Red exLNER power cars to Skegness, the set is still NL12.

 

[WesternLancer]

Technically first use of Red exLNER power cars to Skegness, the set is still NL12.

so is that an 'EMR' set - ie 'original interior' IC70 seats type carriages? (as opposed to an ex virgin refurb ECML set)

 

[43 302]

so is that an 'EMR' set - ie 'original interior' IC70 seats type carriages? (as opposed to an ex virgin refurb ECML set)

It is indeed. The exLNER sets are numbered NL51 though 59 and so far only NL51 has entered service.

 

[WesternLancer]

It is indeed. The exLNER sets are numbered NL51 though 59 and so far only NL51 has entered service.

Thanks - would be nice to sample the ex LNER interiors on the skeg run, but with only 1 set yet it's slim chance I guess.

 

[High Dyke]

1S02 on the return from Skegvegas.

 

[WesternLancer]

1S02 on the return from Skegvegas.

nicely composed pic. Thanks

 

[High Dyke]

nicely composed pic. Thanks

No probs. I mis-timed the shot on the outward journey, so to get a half decent result when it returned was rather satisfying.

 

[WesternLancer]

No probs. I mis-timed the shot on the outward journey, so to get a half decent result when it returned was rather satisfying.

What was the location for that pic?

 

[High Dyke]

What was the location for that pic?

Allington West Junction.

 

[WesternLancer]

Allington West Junction.

Thanks - I wondered if it might be around there!

 

[midland1]

I got a phot at Elton and Orston but I take colour sides so I will have to wait a while to see the result. Got the second HST at Aslockton nice GN wooden platform shelter there. Nice shot at Allington jn.

 

[High Dyke]

I got a phot at Elton and Orston but I take colour sides so I will have to wait a while to see the result. Got the second HST at Aslockton nice GN wooden platform shelter there. Nice shot at Allington jn.

Thanks for the compliment. Hopefully you've got some good shots yourself.

 

[Sheppy26]

As already mentioned the additional HST working on Saturday afternoon did replace a DMU diagram, thus having to omit the 'smaller' station stops. However, the only alternative was to put a 'stop' order on the following service. The Sunday working was also added as a social distance measure, however it was noted that the rest of the timetable had also increased.

Hi everyone,

Just having a bit of time to myself and going through the wealth of knoledge on here! I came across this thread about an HST being subbed for a DMU resulting in stations having to be missed out due to short platforms. I am curious why the HST couldn't stop at these stations? I am from Bristol and remember that GWR HSTs would often stop at stations down here which had short platforms and pax would be told to only alight from carriage A, B, or C for example. Is there a specific reason why the EMR ones couldn't do that?

 

[43055]

Hi everyone,

Just having a bit of time to myself and going through the wealth of knoledge on here! I came across this thread about an HST being subbed for a DMU resulting in stations having to be missed out due to short platforms. I am curious why the HST couldn't stop at these stations? I am from Bristol and remember that GWR HSTs would often stop at stations down here which had short platforms and pax would be told to only alight from carriage A, B, or C for example. Is there a specific reason why the EMR ones couldn't do that?

The 2+8 HSTs at EMR don't have the same door controls as the GWR or the short 2+6 sets which can unlock part of the train from the panel where the Train Manager is going forwards or backwards. The long sets I think is just the full set can be unlocked and that's it. Not sure how this works at Long Eaton as that is just a 4 car platform and they normally stop there.

 

[High Dyke]

Hi everyone,

Just having a bit of time to myself and going through the wealth of knoledge on here! I came across this thread about an HST being subbed for a DMU resulting in stations having to be missed out due to short platforms. I am curious why the HST couldn't stop at these stations? I am from Bristol and remember that GWR HSTs would often stop at stations down here which had short platforms and pax would be told to only alight from carriage A, B, or C for example. Is there a specific reason why the EMR ones couldn't do that?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do/did the sets on the Western region have selective door opening? The full sets on EMR don't have that. The platforms at many village stations are only able to accommodate up to three or four coaches only. Above that and access is restricted to local door only.

I've travelled across Cornwall and wondered why some stations were front four doors, but some were the rear four and how it was dealt with.

 

[LowLevel]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do/did the sets on the Western region have selective door opening? The full sets on EMR don't have that. The platforms at many village stations are only able to accommodate up to three or four coaches only. Above that and access is restricted to local door only.

I've travelled across Cornwall and wondered why some stations were front four doors, but some were the rear four and how it was dealt with.

SDO fitted HSTs can release doors forward or behind the panel being used by the guard hence you can use whichever coaches are more operationally convenient.

For the full length sets at EMR they rely on grandfather rights to call at short platforms while releasing all their doors. The likes of Heckington and Wainfleet have no valid risk assessment for a full length set to call.

 

[FQ]

Not sure how this works at Long Eaton as that is just a 4 car platform and they normally stop there.

All doors unlocked at Long Eaton (and just hope no one tries to get off at one without a platform)

 

[43096]

All doors unlocked at Long Eaton (and just hope no one tries to get off at one without a platform)

Which is ok as they have grandfather rights to do so. That doesn’t apply on the Skegness line.

 

[gazr]

Out of interest, what platform have they been using @ Skegness for the HST set? Being manually controlled, RTT doesn't show any info.

 

[D6700]

Out of interest, what platform have they been using @ Skegness for the HST set? Being manually controlled, RTT doesn't show any info.

Both sets used platform 4 on Saturday.

 

[gazr]

Both sets used platform 4 on Saturday.

Cheers

 

[bunnahabhain]

Hi everyone,

Just having a bit of time to myself and going through the wealth of knoledge on here! I came across this thread about an HST being subbed for a DMU resulting in stations having to be missed out due to short platforms. I am curious why the HST couldn't stop at these stations? I am from Bristol and remember that GWR HSTs would often stop at stations down here which had short platforms and pax would be told to only alight from carriage A, B, or C for example. Is there a specific reason why the EMR ones couldn't do that?

Grandfather rights don't really exist for the Skegness route for the HSTs, there are some occasions when they did substitute a standard DMU working about 10 years ago and they did call at some of the shorter stations, but that was a different era. There are issues with various stations such as Swineshead and Havenhouse where the set would obstruct the automatic level crossing for too long if a call was made at those stations in certain directions, so when the test train for the 6 car SDO sets was conducted early last year specific stopping positions were trialled such as rear 1 or 2 coaches for stations where you would need to draw the train clear of the level crossing in rear of the station. I have the document somewhere giving us instructions for which panels to use at which stops, and in which direction the doors would be opened, but unfortunately it got binned 2 days before it was due to run so we never had the chance to put the plan in action.

Out of interest, what platform have they been using @ Skegness for the HST set? Being manually controlled, RTT doesn't show any info.

Platform 4 is the preferred platform for HSTs and most other services in general, they can also use Platform 2 and 5, but are barred from 3 (6 and 7 not in use but also barred from those). Platform 2 and 5 have issues because the surface of the platform is degraded beyond 4 cars (platform 2) and 5 cars (platform 5) so you can't really use those except in an emergency.

 

[WesternLancer]

Are 2 HSTs still scheduled for these 2 services for sat 5th and sat 12th sept can anyone confirm (subject to last minute unforeseeable changes of course)?

1S01 07.53 Derby to Skegness
1S02 11.40 Skegness to Derby

1S03 09.43 Nottingham to Skegness
1S04 12.35 Skegness to Nottingham

 

[High Dyke]

Are 2 HSTs still scheduled for these 2 services for sat 5th and sat 12th sept can anyone confirm (subject to last minute unforeseeable changes of course)?

1S01 07.53 Derby to Skegness
1S02 11.40 Skegness to Derby

1S03 09.43 Nottingham to Skegness
1S04 12.35 Skegness to Nottingham

Today (5th) Yes, both diagrams.

1S01 / 1S02 is a full EMR Red set. NL56 - 43318 44063 42199 42198 42240 42239 40711 41100 43307

1S03 / 1S04: NL10 - 43320 44051 42149 42148 42341 42328 40756 41076 41075 43310

Booked to run on the 12th, but can't say for certain yet.

 

[WesternLancer]

Today (5th) Yes, both diagrams.

1S01 / 1S02 is a full EMR Red set. NL56 - 43318 44063 42199 42198 42240 42239 40711 41100 43307

1S03 / 1S04: NL10 - 43320 44051 42149 42148 42341 42328 40756 41076 41075 43310

Booked to run on the 12th, but can't say for certain yet.

Thanks - yes enjoyed good runs out on the red set and back on NL10 (with ex LNER power cars) - outward services well patronised too, rtns less so.
Have to say the interior condition of the red set, whilst acceptable, is rather tatty compared with the trad EMT IC70 seated set, despite obv having been refurbed by virgin much more recently - either heavier wear or less well looked after than EMT / EMR achieved!

 

[43 302]

Thanks - yes enjoyed good runs out on the red set and back on NL10 (with ex LNER power cars) - outward services well patronised too, rtns less so.
Have to say the interior condition of the red set, whilst acceptable, is rather tatty compared with the trad EMT IC70 seated set, despite obv having been refurbed by virgin much more recently - either heavier wear or less well looked after than EMT / EMR achieved!

Interesting you say that because I much preferred my time on NL51 a few weeks back as opposed to the old sets.

 

[WesternLancer]

Interesting you say that because I much preferred my time on NL51 a few weeks back as opposed to the old sets.

well, both OK but I felt NL56 had worn fromica panels, chipped and damaged, seat backs heavily rubbed etc - not commensurate with time since refurb as it were.