The Swinerton loco with 118 sided driving wheels
http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/polygon/polygon.htm
http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/polygon/polygon.htm
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The Worst Thing To Ever Run On The Network
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xotGD
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My nomination: HST
Plastic rubbish that replaced proper trains and consigned Westerns and Deltics to an early demise.
Plastic rubbish that replaced proper trains and consigned Westerns and Deltics to an early demise.
randyrippley
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arguably the two Bristol/ECW railbuses.....without them the Pacers may not have happened
https://www.railcar.co.uk/type/bristol-railbus/summary
https://www.railcar.co.uk/type/bristol-railbus/summary
DarloRich
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Don't be silly.
Wivenswold
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Quite. They pretty much reversed British Rail from decades of decline and made rail travel more appealing for the UK. The Westerns and Deltics would have been replaced by 47s and 50s in any case. Standardisation was already in full swing before the HSTs entered service.
LOL The Irony
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That’s just a flesh wound...Are you sure about that?
Cliveblackpool
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Came across a siding full of Palvans at St Dennis Junction (Newquay branch Cornwall) in the late 70's. Told restricted to 30 mph due to derailments. Very rusty - they had been there a long time! Found a picture etc. http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/wagon/B772972.html
That’s a great shout.
Midnight Sun
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Problematic Class 74 electro-diesel,
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Newton Heath defect book, back of the cab door, says "no fault found".
Are you sure about that?
Deaths as a result = zero.
Superb little machines. The runt of the litter and still punching above its weight.
reddragon
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North British win diesel loco wise with their shunters, and Class 16,21,22,41 & 84. Of those the class 21 wins. Only 20% were ever available at best and some just never worked & became xmas trees!
Cravens win DMU wise. The class 112/113 win as they not only rattled & were under-powered but the were scrapped very early.
New DMUs the pacers win. The class 140/141s win as they make the ones that remain seem luxurious with dampers added to the suspension & better power trains.
EMUs - I nominate the class 307. It has all the worst aspects of the slammers and none of the good seen on southern units. Very under-powered and on the most basic running gear known to man. The DC to AC conversion also made them heavy & space was lost inside.
As for new EMUs none are that bad (ignoring the seats) if you consider how awful some 1st Gen units were.
If I was to give an overall winner, it would be the class 21. It did not work, looked awful and bankrupted NBL
Cravens win DMU wise. The class 112/113 win as they not only rattled & were under-powered but the were scrapped very early.
New DMUs the pacers win. The class 140/141s win as they make the ones that remain seem luxurious with dampers added to the suspension & better power trains.
EMUs - I nominate the class 307. It has all the worst aspects of the slammers and none of the good seen on southern units. Very under-powered and on the most basic running gear known to man. The DC to AC conversion also made them heavy & space was lost inside.
As for new EMUs none are that bad (ignoring the seats) if you consider how awful some 1st Gen units were.
If I was to give an overall winner, it would be the class 21. It did not work, looked awful and bankrupted NBL
Tracked
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Or, luckily their only 2 major accidents demonstrating their flimsy construction have been when they had few/no passengers on.
Mind you, not as bad as the 141's were, worst thing on the network in my lifetime.
matacaster
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The original mechanical gearboxes on pacers were somewhat lacking in reliability too!
LOL The Irony
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Because by chance, they were fortunately both ECS.
AverageTD
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Thought I’d see more XC220s. I guess that could be a separate thread called worst Trains currently on the network. Virgin 220s are very nice though imo
No-one's suggested Class 139 yet.
It's a bus on steel wheels with all the good looks of a Fiat Multipla.
Judging from videos I've seen they have the ride quality of a go-kart.
Sorry to Parry People Movers, nice folks I'm sure, but I mean, what is even the point of these, why not just run an actual bus?
It's a bus on steel wheels with all the good looks of a Fiat Multipla.
Judging from videos I've seen they have the ride quality of a go-kart.
Sorry to Parry People Movers, nice folks I'm sure, but I mean, what is even the point of these, why not just run an actual bus?
61653 HTAFC
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They're a niche solution to a niche situation. If a dogbox was still running the branch, there'd be big questions about what to do post-2020. It'd probably end up with a cut&shut single-car battery 230.
There's no way it's as ugly as a Multipla though!
It's sort of comforting to be reminded that stupid ideas got funding, even back then. Nothing's changed!
Yep and the second class seats weren't aligned with the windows
that was the beginning of the end!
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Class 180s.
End thread.
End thread.
Gwenllian2001
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Anyone remember the ACV four wheelers which were described as being ''lively' over pointwork.
Post #37..
LOL The Irony
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As are the 313's. Introduced just 2 years later. In fact the PEP's are 3 years older than the 312.
reddragon
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The 312s were powerful luxury trains next to a crappy 307!
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