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Where stands the DUP on railways?

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It appears that Mrs. May's government is now in an informal partnership with the DUP.
Where does that leave the railways? Does the DUP even have a policy as to the railways.

Plea - please keep this thread on the topic of railways and not wander off into politics generally.
 
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Personally i think railways will be about items 44576329820 on the agenda for discussion between the DUP and the Conservatives. I doubt it even enters the discussion.
 

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It appears that Mrs. May's government is now in an informal partnership with the DUP.
Where does that leave the railways? Does the DUP even have a policy as to the railways.

Plea - please keep this thread on the topic of railways and not wander off into politics generally.

I've no idea, but it'd be irrelevant anyway as the Conservatives are to all intents and purposes calling 98% of the shots and I doubt the 2% they concede on to the DUP to gain their support on crucial votes would involve major changes to the railways. Doubt it'd be on any negotiating lists.
 

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They won't care about railway in GB, as they're devolved in Northern Ireland. Their main demands will be zeroes on a check, and this might take the form of railway investment, although road is more likely.
 

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Personally i think railways will be about items 44576329820 on the agenda for discussion between the DUP and the Conservatives. I doubt it even enters the discussion.

Spot on.
The DUP really doesn't care one way or another about the railways here in NI. There's a cost to provide them (as part of Translink) and there are occasional photo-ops when new things happen.

There is no way that the DUP will care at all about the mainland railways.
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Personally i think railways will be about items 44576329820 on the agenda for discussion between the DUP and the Conservatives. I doubt it even enters the discussion.

I agree. Its also a devolved issue and they are likely to simply abstain on devolved issues. This would leave the Tories 1 short of majority because SF dont take their seats and the Speaker doesn't vote meaning they would have 315 out of 631. The Lib Dems would broadly vote with Conservatives on transport policy providing a clear majority. Therefore I doubt there will be significant changes in transport policy.

Edit: Tories would have a majority with 318 out of 631 if the DUP abstain on transport. The overall picture is the same for transport.
 
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I don't recollect the railways getting any media airtime other than from Red Jezza. It's therefore so far off the radar going forward, it's a complete non-issue.

Far more important things to worry about over the next four months before the next General Election, when Red Jezza can have another go!
 
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How the Northern Ireland to Republic of Ireland rail service might be affected by Brexit would probably be the only rail related matter on the DUP's mind.
 

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As others have said, the DUP (like all other Northern Ireland parties) are almost exclusively concerned with Ireland and definitely not on Britain.
 

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Ignore. This was supposed to be in the GE thread.
Ignore about sums up the railways in the next few days of discussions about going forward.

I like the railways or I wouldn't be on here posting but I don't think they feature right now.
 

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I agree. Its also a devolved issue and they are likely to simply abstain on devolved issues. This would leave the Tories 1 short of majority because SF dont take their seats and the Speaker doesn't vote meaning they would have 315 out of 631. The Lib Dems would broadly vote with Conservatives on transport policy providing a clear majority. Therefore I doubt there will be significant changes in transport policy.

Edit: Tories would have a majority with 318 out of 631 if the DUP abstain on transport. The overall picture is the same for transport.

Don't understand your comment on Lib Dems voting with the Conservatives on transport policy. Major differences on subjects such as airport expansion, public sector rail franchising, bus policy etc etc
 

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Don't understand your comment on Lib Dems voting with the Conservatives on transport policy. Major differences on subjects such as airport expansion, public sector rail franchising, bus policy etc etc

Lib Dems don't want to nationalise train opperation, the Tories can concede allot on bus policy and Labour supports the third runway anyway. There is enough common ground between Conservatives and Lib Dems to do a deal on transport that keeps current rail policy but with a few minor changes.
 

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Lib Dems don't want to nationalise train opperation, the Tories can concede allot on bus policy and Labour supports the third runway anyway. There is enough common ground between Conservatives and Lib Dems to do a deal on transport that keeps current rail policy but with a few minor changes.

Are you sure? My understanding was that the LDs wanted to allow a publicly-owned entity (DOR presumably) to tender for franchises, which is definitely not Conservative policy.
 
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Are you sure? My understanding was that the LDs wanted to allow a publicly-owned entity (DOR presumably) to tender for franchises, which is definitely not Conservative policy.

Their manifesto defended a temporary nationalisation of GTR, with a view to retendering to a private operator, presumably once the Thameslink Programme was finished, and keep the rest going in the same way as currently.
 

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Don't understand your comment on Lib Dems voting with the Conservatives on transport policy. Major differences on subjects such as airport expansion, public sector rail franchising, bus policy etc etc

Lib Dems don't want to nationalise train opperation, the Tories can concede allot on bus policy and Labour supports the third runway anyway. There is enough common ground between Conservatives and Lib Dems to do a deal on transport that keeps current rail policy but with a few minor changes.

If it was about electrification/railway infrastructure I am absolutely100% certain the Lib Dems would support the conservatives.
 

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How the Northern Ireland to Republic of Ireland rail service might be affected by Brexit would probably be the only rail related matter on the DUP's mind.

I would guess that the DUP wouldn't have much interest with anything to do with what they call "the Free State"! They've more interest in what they would call the "mainland".
 

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I would guess that the DUP wouldn't have much interest with anything to do with what they call "the Free State"! They've more interest in what they would call the "mainland".

My Dad (born in Belfast in 1921) would only ever refer to people being from "the Free State"!
 

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To be honest I think that railways in Northern Ireland will be more discussed in any discussions than railways in Great Britain.

Given that railways as well as roads and the licensing/administration of them both (such as drivers licensing, fare regulations and other things) have largely been separate since Northern Ireland was created in 1921 I would say if we have a formal coalition there won't be a DUP Secretary of State for Transport.
 

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How the Northern Ireland to Republic of Ireland rail service might be affected by Brexit would probably be the only rail related matter on the DUP's mind.

The service from Belfast to Dublin and return ran for many generations before the EU existed and should be unaffected by Brexit.
 

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The service from Belfast to Dublin and return ran for many generations before the EU existed and should be unaffected by Brexit.

There was customs checks at the border and then at stations at first. I don't think customs checks were fully abolished between the United Kingdom and Ireland until 1993. I can't see customs checks coming back though.

If we had a formal coalition I think having a junior DUP minister in the Department for Exiting the European Union it would be beneficial to both Northern Ireland and the United Kingdom as a whole.
 

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Are you sure? My understanding was that the LDs wanted to allow a publicly-owned entity (DOR presumably) to tender for franchises, which is definitely not Conservative policy.

Their manifesto defended a temporary nationalisation of GTR, with a view to retendering to a private operator, presumably once the Thameslink Programme was finished, and keep the rest going in the same way as currently.

Mordac is correct. Apart from a one off renationalisation of a failed concession (not a franchise) the Lib Dems basically support the status quo of transport policy. Its hardly surprising when you consider that they co authored government transport policy 2010-2015 and the Tories have not changed transport policy that much since 2015. The Lib Dems will push for London stopping services to be handed to TfL and tweak the franchise bidding system but that is it. The Tories passed legislation to allow metro regions to regulate buses so will be open to extending that in exchange for support elsewere, same for Lib Dems proposed 16-21 bus pass.

Edit: I think the Tories would be prepared to trade away a third runway at Heathrow too. Its controversial within the Conservatives and they will want to settle transport policy quickly for the rest of the parliament and focus on other matters.
 
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Edit: I think the Tories would be prepared to trade away a third runway at Heathrow too. Its controversial within the Conservatives and they will want to settle transport policy quickly for the rest of the parliament and focus on other matters.

One of the claims for the third runway is that it will allow more domestic flights from Heathrow. As these will include flights to Northern Ireland I expect the DUP would object to abandoning it (especially as the DUP has no reason to be concerned at the environmental problems around Heathrow).
 

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One of the claims for the third runway is that it will allow more domestic flights from Heathrow. As these will include flights to Northern Ireland I expect the DUP would object to abandoning it (especially as the DUP has no reason to be concerned at the environmental problems around Heathrow).

They could pass legislation to ring fence slots at Heathrow for the regions. I very much doubt Labour would vote against that. DUP have leverage but they won't be calling the shots. Transport is an area were the Tories natural partner is the Lib Dems.
 

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There was customs checks at the border and then at stations at first. I don't think customs checks were fully abolished between the United Kingdom and Ireland until 1993. I can't see customs checks coming back though.

If we had a formal coalition I think having a junior DUP minister in the Department for Exiting the European Union it would be beneficial to both Northern Ireland and the United Kingdom as a whole.

The DUP are bent and incompetent (do some reading on their recent litany of scandals) and there is absolutely NO WAY they should be anywhere near that negotiating table.
 

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The DUP are bent and incompetent (do some reading on their recent litany of scandals) and there is absolutely NO WAY they should be anywhere near that negotiating table.
I suspect all that sort of thing probably goes back way beyond the formation of the DUP in 1971 what with gerrymandering etc, happening long before that.
 
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Are you sure? My understanding was that the LDs wanted to allow a publicly-owned entity (DOR presumably) to tender for franchises, which is definitely not Conservative policy.

Lib Dems said:
High-quality public transport is essential to building sustainable communities and
the local and national economy. Britain needs better transport infrastructure, a
modern railway system run for the benefit of its customers, and less congestion
and pollution on the roads. We also need to ensure that local communities,
particularly rural communities, remain connected with local rail and bus services,
and that stations serve the needs of their local community. To build a transport
system fit for the 21st century, we will:
● Ensure that new rail franchises include a stronger focus on customers,
including a programme of investment in new stations, lines and modern trains.
We will allow public sector bodies and mutual groups involving staff and
passengers to bid for franchises.
We will continue the Access for All
programme, improving disabled access to public transport as a key priority.
● As a result of severe failings that rise to the level of breach of contract,
establish government-run companies to take over the running of Southern
Rail and Govia Thameslink, with a long-term plan to find more effective and
sustainable ways of managing these franchises involving greater powers for
local government.
● Pursue the electrification of the rail network, improve stations, reopen smaller stations, restore twin-track lines to major routes and proceed with HS2, HS3
and Crossrail 2, including development of a high-speed network stretching
to Scotland.
● Invest capital in major transport improvements and infrastructure. We will:
- Shift more freight from road to rail.
- Deliver the Transport for the North strategy to promote growth, innovation
and prosperity across northern England.
- Develop more modern, resilient links to and within the south-west
peninsula to help develop and diversify the regional economy.
- Complete East West Rail, connecting Oxford and Cambridge and catalysing
major new housing development.
- Ensure London’s transport infrastructure is improved to withstand the
pressure of population and economic growth.
- Support the takeover of metro services in London by London Overground.
- Encourage the swift take-up of electric and driverless vehicles.
● Develop a strategic airports policy for the whole of the UK, taking full account
of the impacts on climate change and local pollution. We remain opposed to
any expansion of Heathrow, Stansted or Gatwick and any new airport in the
Thames Estuary and will focus instead on improving existing regional airports
such as Birmingham and Manchester. We will ensure no net increase in
runways across the UK.
To protect and extend local public transport, we will:
● Introduce a rail ombudsman to enforce passenger rights and improve the
provision of compensation, with the power to sanction rail companies as
appropriate.
● Introduce a new Young Person’s Bus Discount Card, for young people aged
16–21, giving a two-thirds discount on bus travel – allowing young people to
access education, apprenticeships and work.
● Halt the decline in bus services and carry out a review of bus funding and bus
policies. We will give principal local authorities the power to run, commission
and regulate the bus network in their area.
● Provide local authorities and communities with the powers to improve
transport and ticketing with the ability to introduce network-wide and smart
ticketing systems.
● Design towns and cities as safe and attractive walking spaces and implement the recommendations of the Get Britain Cycling report.

http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...nal/1495020157/Manifesto-Final.pdf?1495020157
 

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I imagine the DUP attitude to railways is something like:

"The Iron Horse is the work of Beelzebub himself! A hideous contraption of noise and sin".

Essentially the same attitude they have to anything more modern than a bamboo carpet-beater.
 
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