Jeremy Corbyn & Tom Watson elected leader and deputy leader of the Labour Party

[bnm]

Which I am sure has not been unnoticed by those in the SIS building at Vauxhall Cross.

What interest would our foreign intelligence service have in such domestic goings on?

 

[backontrack]

Some of you on here harp on as if there will be a 'Night of the Long Knives' soon, and that Momentum will be regarded as 'too big for their boots' by the Leader and be taken out by a legion of North London MPs, answering only to Corbyn. They will be known, not as the black or brown shirts, but as the Hair Shirts.

Alternatively, but much more realistically, nothing will really happen and people will just continue rabbiting on about quinoa. Corbyn's not exactly progressive - has he really done anything yet???

 

[Baxenden Bank]

Pictures of Jeremy Corbyn's office have appeared in newspapers and it's pretty obvious he's running a pre-mid 90s paper based office where he's surrounded by huge piles of paper, ring binders and filing cabinets.

Perhaps an Owen Smith led party with Corbyn in a role like Shadow Transport Minister would best suit all parties. Some of the pro-Corbyn unions would still get to work directly with Corbyn but the leader would be someone more likely to attract non-Labour voters to vote for them.

And, for really top secret stuff, the Russians stopped sending electronic communications and reverted to typewriters a while back. Electronic communications are far easier to intercept, automatically analyse, and store for future reference. Also you have no means of knowing that it has been intercepted. Perhaps Jeremy is ahead of the curve?
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

Given that many people are now equating Momentum with Militant, I wonder if all those in Momentum are the offspring of the Militant Tendency...after all, age would be correct, born in the 1980's....of course, it could be for a completely different reason, such as a group of like-minded people who are concerned with the rapid increase in inequality, or something like that!

Paul S must know all about inequality with his mansion in very affluent Cheshire. The subject of intense progressive taxation measures should Real Labour with real labour policies ever get into power. No wonder so many people were worried when Jeremy got elected by a popular vote rather than an isolated controlling elite. Just like the results of the referendum really. Give people a smell of power but dismiss their views when they are expressed in a way you are uncomfortable with.

 

[DarloRich]

Oh please. That's obviously nonsense. Let's try to retain a shred of realism here.

He'll use Polonium instead. Ice picks are sooo last century.

no he wouldn't use Polonium - he is against nuclear/radiological weapons so that would go against his principles. I think it would be poisoned organic, free trade quinoa and tofu burgers.

 

[northwichcat]

And, for really top secret stuff, the Russians stopped sending electronic communications and reverted to typewriters a while back. Electronic communications are far easier to intercept, automatically analyse, and store for future reference. Also you have no means of knowing that it has been intercepted. Perhaps Jeremy is ahead of the curve?

How do you get written communications to other people - Fax? Post? Courier? Carry them between places in person? Those aren't 100% secure. One of Andrea Leadsom's campaigners was reviewing a list of her potential policies on a piece of paper on a train, which someone used their camera phone to take a picture of and posted it on Twitter.

 

[DarloRich]

How do you get written communications to other people - Fax? Post? Courier? Carry them between places in person? Those aren't 100% secure.

surely you go back to one time cipher pads to transmit secret information - they cant be cracked if used correctly.

 

[northwichcat]

Cheshire East voted hand in glove with the country as a whole to leave the EU. The response of remainers has been a mixture of panic and despair, declaring in their grief "Heaven knows I'm miserable now".

If it hadn't been for the council reorganisation in 2008 there would have either been a Cheshire County result or individual results for much smaller boroughs - Macclesfield, Congleton, Chester, Vale Royal, Crewe & Nantwich and if it had been the latter Macclesfield would have been labelled as an area which voted Remain, while Crewe & Nantwich would have been labelled as an area which voted Leave.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Really Corbyn (or the next leader) is going to need to create an additional position in the shadow cabinet - someone to shadow David Davis' role.

 

[backontrack]

Really Corbyn (or the next leader) is going to need to create an additional position in the shadow cabinet - someone to shadow David Davis' role.

I reckon it's going to Hugh Abbot. Or possibly Nicola Murray.

 

[Butts]

How can Corbyn claim any shred of credibility if he is unable to achieve the requisite nominations from 51 of his own MP's if required in a leadership contest.

Have the membership been given to much power and is that Ed Milibands poisoned legacy to his successor ?

Are Labour living in the real world ?

 

[DarloRich]

I wonder if Mr Corbyn is prepared to follow the democratic position of his party and support the introduction of Trident II.

You know, that policy he and the rest of his MP were elected to parliament on. What with it being part of the manifesto and approved at conference you might think it was important. Or does democracy only apply to Corbynians when it suits their position?

Will he order his MP's to follow the democratic will of the party or simply try to overlook unpleasant issue such as this.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

Are Labour living in the real world ?

The Labour party does, the Corbynians don't. They are unable to continence any form of compromise to thier dogmatic views and consider any criticism to be traitorous or worse, Blairite. They don't want power as that is for "elites" and don't think that winning elections is important. That constantly overlooks the point that this approach simply reinforces Tory power and hurts the people we should be helping.

It is frustrating and would be funny if they weren't so dangerously deluded.

 

[ainsworth74]

I wonder if Mr Corbyn is prepared to follow the democratic position of his party and support the introduction of Trident II.

That'll be news to the Royal Navy! They seem to be labouring under the impression that it's already in service

 

[DarloRich]

That'll be news to the Royal Navy! They seem to be labouring under the impression that it's already in service

Trident II? Should i have said Trident III?

 

[ainsworth74]

Trident II? Should i have said Trident III?

We already operate Trident II and will continue to operate Trident II well into the 2040s.

Today's vote will see us confirm our commitment to the Trident II service life extension program (working with the US Navy) and to refurbishing and life extending our nuclear warheads. But both of those are a small fry to the main decision and expense which is replacing the submarines. They are going to be the new component in our nuclear weapons system otherwise it'll be the same system as we have now.

 

[miami]

With Trident we could obliterate the whole of Eastern Europe!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyJh3qKjSMk

 

[DarloRich]

We already operate Trident II and will continue to operate Trident II well into the 2040s.

Today's vote will see us confirm our commitment to the Trident II service life extension program (working with the US Navy) and to refurbishing and life extending our nuclear warheads. But both of those are a small fry to the main decision and expense which is replacing the submarines. They are going to be the new component in our nuclear weapons system otherwise it'll be the same system as we have now.

thanks - i thought the upgrade to the missile was essentially a new system. The submarines are the key of course!

For the avoidance of doubt i believe in renewing our commitment to this system. While the French have such weapons we must have them. I know this makes me a terrible Blaririst red Tory war mongering Zionist stooge who is ripe for drumming out of the party under the terms of the new, kinder, politics Mr Corbyn and his acolytes espouse but so be it.

 

[Harbornite]

thanks - i thought the upgrade to the missile was essentially a new system. The submarines are the key of course!

For the avoidance of doubt i believe in renewing our commitment to this system. While the French have such weapons we must have them. I know this makes me a terrible Blaririst red Tory war mongering Zionist stooge who is ripe for drumming out of the party under the terms of the new, kinder, politics Mr Corbyn and his acolytes espouse but so be it.

How dare you use logic, you filthy capitalist! Expect a visit from the KGB...

Long live Commissar Corblin and the proletariat!

 

[Gutfright]

I wonder if Mr Corbyn is prepared to follow the democratic position of his party and support the introduction of Trident II.

You know, that policy he and the rest of his MP were elected to parliament on. What with it being part of the manifesto and approved at conference you might think it was important. Or does democracy only apply to Corbynians when it suits their position?

Will he order his MP's to follow the democratic will of the party or simply try to overlook unpleasant issue such as this.

When you say democratic will of the Labour Party, do you mean the half a million members or a handful of pro-Trident Labour MPs?

 

[Domh245]

When you say democratic will of the Labour Party, do you mean the half a million members or a handful of pro-Trident Labour MPs?

They probably mean the large majority of the 8,832,324 people who voted for Labour in the 2015 General Election and aren't a member of Labour. Renewing trident was part of that Manifesto, so it would be only right for the Labour MPs to continue to vote based on that Manifesto.

 

[DarloRich]

When you say democratic will of the Labour Party, do you mean the half a million members or a handful of pro-Trident Labour MPs?

When I say democratic I mean as in our manifesto, a commitment we gave to the electorate and voted for at conference. Or does that not matter? Does only pro Corbyn democracy count?

And it isn't half a million members. It is some full members ( like me) and lots of £3 jonny come latelys.

 

[asylumxl]

When I say democratic I mean as in our manifesto, a commitment we gave to the electorate and voted for at conference. Or does that not matter? Does only pro Corbyn democracy count?

And it isn't half a million members. It is some full members ( like me) and lots of £3 jonny come latelys.

Damn those Jonny come latelies! Their opinions are sick, bordering on perverted, and massively less valid than anyone who joined a day before the £3 fee was introduced. Cretins! Why couldn't those plebs join another party and not ruin it for us? [emoji24] [emoji6]

 

[Gutfright]

When I say democratic I mean as in our manifesto, a commitment we gave to the electorate and voted for at conference. Or does that not matter? Does only pro Corbyn democracy count?

Corbyn is letting the Labour representatives, MPs the people elected, make their own decision in the best interests of their constituents. How oppressive! What a terrible dictator he is! He's the next Pol Pot I tells ya!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

We already operate Trident II and will continue to operate Trident II well into the 2040s.

Today's vote will see us confirm our commitment to the Trident II service life extension program (working with the US Navy) and to refurbishing and life extending our nuclear warheads. But both of those are a small fry to the main decision and expense which is replacing the submarines. They are going to be the new component in our nuclear weapons system otherwise it'll be the same system as we have now.

Many people, when talking about Trident, seem to automatically assume that name refers to the actual submarines, rather than the actual missiles.

What is the correct term to use to describe the actual submarines?
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

Corbyn is letting the Labour representatives, MPs the people elected, make their own decision in the best interests of their constituents. How oppressive! What a terrible dictator he is! He's the next Pol Pot I tells ya!

Are these some of the same people who the freedom of the Referendum vote allowed a "Leave" vote to succeed. The RMT was most certainly in favour of a "Leave" vote in the referendum.

You say Corbyn is allowing Labour PM's to make their decision. I thought he just regarded them as naught but a figurehead, to be disregarded when the mood took him.

I really must dust off my first edition of Animal Farm to see if I can draw any comparisons to recent Labour Party happenings....:roll:

 

[fowler9]

Many people, when talking about Trident, seem to automatically assume that name refers to the actual submarines, rather than the actual missiles.

What is the correct term to use to describe the actual submarines?
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---


Are these some of the same people who the freedom of the Referendum vote allowed a "Leave" vote. The RMT was most certainly in favour of a "Leave" vote in the referendum.

You say Corbyn is allowing Labour PM's to make their decision. I thought he just regarded them as naught but a figurehead, to bedisregarded when the mood took him.

I really must dust off my first edition of Animal Farm to see if I can draw any comparisons to recent Labour Party happenings....:roll:

Not sure a design has been ordered yet has it? Looks like a massive waste of money to me. Possibly could have spent it on better aircraft carriers and better aircraft to go on them rather than a weapons system that if it ever gets used will probably result in the extermination of the human race.

 

[ainsworth74]

Many people, when talking about Trident, seem to automatically assume that name refers to the actual submarines, rather than the actual missiles.

What is the correct term to use to describe the actual submarines?

They are currently known as 'Successor class' submarines but I'm confident that at some point in the near future they'll get a somewhat better name!

 

[miami]

Howabout "Thatcher Class"?

Something that brings death and destruction and ****es off the left wing.

 

[kegdr]

They are currently known as 'Successor class' submarines but I'm confident that at some point in the near future they'll get a somewhat better name!

And the current class is named Vanguard.

rather than a weapons system that if it ever gets used will probably result in the extermination of the human race.

That's the point of Trident. It exists to make nuclear war a scenario that nobody can win, hence deterring anyone from launching such an attack in the first place.

 

[AM9]

Howabout "Thatcher Class"?

Something that brings death and destruction and ****es off the left wing.

and anybody less than fairly right-wing!
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

And the current class is named Vanguard.



That's the point of Trident. It exists to make nuclear war a scenario that nobody can win, hence deterring anyone from launching such an attack in the first place.

The Polaris was carried by the four 'R boats' (Resolution, Repulse, Renown and Revenge).
The Trident II (current) is carried by the four 'V boats' (Vanguard, Victorious, Vigilant and Vengeance).
Letters 'S' has been used on the Swiftsure class of conventional subs (nuclear powered) and 'T' used on the Trafalgar class that replaced them. 'U' would not be politically appropriate for subs so the next available letter is 'W'.
Anybody like to suggest a class name - (NOT Wxxxx McWxxxxface though!)

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Paul S must know all about inequality with his mansion in very affluent Cheshire. The subject of intense progressive taxation measures should Real Labour with real labour policies ever get into power. No wonder so many people were worried when Jeremy got elected by a popular vote rather than an isolated controlling elite. Just like the results of the referendum really. Give people a smell of power but dismiss their views when they are expressed in a way you are uncomfortable with.

I was born in 1945 in Manchester in the northern very poor border area of Miles Platting and Collyhurst on the street that ran parallel to the New Allen Street viaduct that ran from Collyhurst sidings along the 4-track viaduct of Manchester Oldham Road goods depot.

I was one of the very few who left my local primary school by passing the 11+ examination and attended St Bede's College in Manchester from 1956, where I was placed in the Classics stream and progressed through my GCE "O" levels (12) and "A" levels (5) in the days when grades were not as today, but those of Distinction, Credit and Pass. I then attended Manchester University where 50 years ago to the year in 1966, I was awarded a First in Mathematics

I forsook the career move into Education and with the industry contacts made in 1966 in the field of commerce and industry, I made that my chosen option and by the age of early 30's, I held senior management positions for over 30 years until I took retirement in 2010 as Senior Head of Projects at the consultancy.

I was shrewd enough to see all my investments over the years bear great financial fruit (I say no more than that as the tax authorities will be contacting my brokers and myself..) but when I returned from heading our Toronto consultancy office from 1995 to 2004 on a certain Canadian Hydro project where we were the project lead, we purchased the "mansion" to which you refer from an unfortunate bankrupt, where my definite immediate cash payment of far below the tentative asking price was immediately accepted by Yorke, Ashworth and Co, who were handling that matter. Our property has since been a blessing of stability to us and in the twelve years of residence here, the last annual valuation by Jackson-Stops and Staff was that of a large seven-figure sum.(NOTE : In estate agency jargonese, the acronym PDK signifies "paddock")

Since 2011, I have been the subject of a major stroke in July 2012, involved with our "gratis" charity consultancy work and more importantly, the resident bête noiire on the RailUK website who at times seems to drive some website members into seemingly fits of apoplexy. I appear to often be accused of flying the flag of the Arcane English Society.

Finally, knowing something of the Baxenden area, there are indeed some rather nice detached properties there in a certain area of the town.

MOTTO 1 : Great oaks from little acorns grow.

MOTTO 2 : Never use a simple basic English phrase when a whole paragraph of convoluted arcane English terms can be substituted.

 

[Domh245]

MOTTO 2 : Never use a simple basic English phrase when a whole paragraph of convoluted arcane English terms can be substituted.

A motto that it seems only you live by!

 

[Flamingo]

Not sure a design has been ordered yet has it? Looks like a massive waste of money to me. Possibly could have spent it on better aircraft carriers and better aircraft to go on them rather than a wenapons system that if it ever gets used will probably result in the extermination of the human race.

Do you know what submariners call flattops?

Targets...