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Huge Expansion in Scotrail services planned

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Perhaps Fife Circle going to the back of the queue for electrification might also be good news for the Levenmouth re-opening campaign as the business case wouldn't have to include the cost of wiring if they can progress it in the next 5 years or so.

Agreed. Could be the destination of the hourly through train from the Borders. Makes it all the more important to get on with it now though.

Might be less good news for advocates of Grangemouth reopening. Easy option of extending from Grahamston is gone. Would need the 2tph terminating services extended all the way from Cumbernauld now making a positive business case harder to generate.
 
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Really good news, I hope it works as well in practice as it looks on paper!
 

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Another thought occurs to me. The Cumbernauld-Edinburgh service will presumably call at Winchburgh, so Dunblane services could skip Winchburgh and avoid a journey time penalty.
 

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Another thought occurs to me. The Cumbernauld-Edinburgh service will presumably call at Winchburgh, so Dunblane services could skip Winchburgh and avoid a journey time penalty.

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Edinburgh - Current half hourly service to Stirling and Dunblane becomes limited stop rather than all stations, reducing journey times by around 10 minutes.

10 minute saving suggests more than just missing Winchburgh. Even if the electrification time savings are included in that 10 minutes it probably indicates missing at least 2 out of Camelon, Polmont, Linlithgow and Edinburgh Park as well. Probably the first 2.
 

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Hourly Borders Rail - Fife service operated by 170s

That is good news since the border 158 are grotty and awful and need to gutted out. What going to be placed on the Fife services if 170 are taken away?

I bet stagecoach will rank up the operations to keep customers happy in Cumbernauld.
 

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Nothing for the Far North Line though. The Lentran doubling has been forgotten about. :(
 

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Good news coming from Scotrail...

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STV News said:
Around 200 new train services, equating to an extra 20,000 seats per day, will be introduced throughout Scotland in a major rail services upgrade.

Transport minister Derek Mackay has revealed details of a "revolution in rail", which will deliver the largest programme of benefits to rail passengers seen in a generation.

Passengers across Tayside, Stirlingshire, Perthshire, Aberdeenshire and the Borders are set to benefit.

ScotRail currently runs 2300 services per day.

The Scottish Government has decided to retain 13 Class 170 diesel trains, which means 39 additional carriages, beyond the terms of their current leases, which were due to end on 2018.

It says the extra trains create the capacity to make timetable service improvements and it has worked with local stakeholders to decide which services need the extra seats most.

Commuter services between Scottish cities will also run more frequently.

More services are expected to be announced for Tayside, Stirlingshire, Perthsire and Aberdeenshire from 2018.

There will also be increased peak capacity across Fife and the Borders, relieving some of the pressure on commuter services, along with more commuter options linking local towns between Glasgow and Edinburgh via Cumbernauld and Falkirk.

The transport minister said: "We have initiated a revolution in rail services across Scotland.

"From 2018 passengers will benefit from more seats, more services and faster journey times as a direct result of the increased funding that we are putting into the rail network.

"The retention of these units will complement the arrival of our new high speed trains, which will allow for new and improved intercity connections.

"They will also make our rail network more resilient, creating opportunities to run faster services on key commuter routes and offering better connectivity for regional areas."

Phil Verster, managing director of Abellio ScotRail, which operates the services, said: "This is a really significant moment in our mission to transform Scotland’s railway.

"In three years time, the service that we provide to our customers will be unrecognisable. Our new electric fleet will be running between Glasgow and Edinburgh, our high speed trains will be linking our seven cities and, thanks to this announcement today, we will have hundreds more services and thousands more seats available to customers across Scotland, particularly in Aberdeen, the north east and Fife."

Liberal Democrat MSP Tavish Scott raised concerns about the age of the rolling stock that will be used for some of the services.

He said: "People in the north and north-east will want some strong guarantees about the 40-year-old rolling stock that will be used for their connections to the central belt. People will be concerned that the Scottish Government is treating the north as second class.

"Reliability issues have plagued travellers in south-west England on these trains for a decade. Passengers describe the trains as providing 'third world cattle truck conditions'.

"Travellers will want to know that these 40-year-old trains have had more than a paint job before being put to work in Scotland."

Scottish Green transport spokeswoman Sarah Beattie-Smith branded the changes "timid".

Ms Beattie-Smith, the lead Green candidate for the South of Scotland region, said: "The SNP seems to think that tinkering with train service numbers is enough to fix Scotland's broken public transport system.

"Don't get me wrong - new rail services are all well and good, but this policy falls far short from the 'rail revolution' the Scottish Government wants to brand it as.

"To properly support the people who are currently isolated by our poor and expensive public transport, we need to do much, much more."

Hopefully there will be less overcrowding on services around the Fife Circlem the Central Belt and Tayside where serfvices can get really busy even out with peak times.
I'm glad about the journey time improvements for the HST services. Now that there will be 13 extra turbostars HSTs will miss out more "diddy" stops such as the likes of Laurencekirk, Dunblane, Bridge of Allan etc on Intercity Routes :D
 
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Does this make a difference to the number of units being sent down to Southern to become class 171s?
 

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Does this make a difference to the number of units being sent down to Southern to become class 171s?
No; no effect on that aspect of the agreement. Scotrail were due to release twenty nine class 170s in addition to the total of nine that are moving to Southern, now reduced to sixteen.
 
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10 minute saving suggests more than just missing Winchburgh. Even if the electrification time savings are included in that 10 minutes it probably indicates missing at least 2 out of Camelon, Polmont, Linlithgow and Edinburgh Park as well. Probably the first 2.

Ideally there will continue to be a call at Edinburgh Park!

Not only is it a major employment destination for many Stirling commuters - it's also the interchange for the Airport.
 

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Some I think weren't spoken for.

Indeed. After Abellio decided all the 170s could be released, Transport Scotland decided it would be best for 29 x 170s and 18 x Sprinters to be released and more recently decided only 16 x 170s and 10 x Sprinters should be released, so that gives Scotrail another 13 which Abellio didn't plan for.
 

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Indeed. After Abellio decided all the 170s could be released
This was based on the services TS wanted to run then. I imagine Abellio are as pleased as anyone that TS have decided to run more.
 

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It would also seem to conveniently cover the (increasingly likely) situation of the full fleet of 27 HSTs not being ready for Scotrail by 2018. Much easier to delay announcement of some of these new services than to try and fill a short-term gap in the fleet from elsewhere.
 

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It would also seem to conveniently cover the (increasingly likely) situation of the full fleet of 27 HSTs not being ready for Scotrail by 2018. Much easier to delay announcement of some of these new services than to try and fill a short-term gap in the fleet from elsewhere.

Why the Scotrail HST's are meant to be going regardless, IEP testing and planned introduction is supposedly running to time, the first 36 are Bi-Mode so if there is less knitting ready than expected I'm sure that can be worked around.
 
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I would agree that, on the surface the HSTs going to Scotland looks set to go ahead as per all the contracts, but meanwhile the IEP introduction is about to reach the point where lack of wiring becomes an issue. First electric running is now expected to be 2019, and will the 36 bimodes be sufficient to release 27 HST sets? Interesting times ahead, and no doubt lots of negotiation. :)
 

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This was based on the services TS wanted to run then. I imagine Abellio are as pleased as anyone that TS have decided to run more.

Abellio were probably pleased as they won the franchise bidding based on not using any 170s and Transport Scotland came along and told them they'd increase the subsidy so that some of the 170s could remain.
 

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People in the Borders will benefit as they will have a direct rail link to Edinburgh Gateway Station for Edinburgh Airport.

I wonder if the Edinburgh to Glasgow via Cumbernauld services could also be diverted via Edinburgh Gateway when the Dalmeny Chord is done (it did feature in the Scotland Route Study after all).
 

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People in the Borders will benefit as they will have a direct rail link to Edinburgh Gateway Station for Edinburgh Airport.

I wonder if the Edinburgh to Glasgow via Cumbernauld services could also be diverted via Edinburgh Gateway when the Dalmeny Chord is done (it did feature in the Scotland Route Study after all).

I was wondering about the Dalmeny Chord and how it fits in with these proposals.

Effectively our best guess of the proposed post 2018 timetable from Falkirk - Edinburgh is now something like:
  • 4tph from Falkirk High (2tph fast, 2tph calling Linlithgow, Polmont) and
  • 4tph from Falkirk Grahamston (2 calling Linlithgow, Edinburgh Park, 2 calling Polmont, Linlithgow, Winchburgh, Edinburgh Park).

Under the original EGIP plans there was planned to be:
  • 6tph from Falkirk High (4tph fast, 2tph calling Linlithgow, Polmont) and
  • 2tph from Falkirk Grahamston (calling Polmont, Linlithgow, Winchburgh, Edinburgh Park).

So it's slightly different service patterns but fundamentally still involves running 12tph in the critical Newbridge Junction - Haymarket section.

My understanding was that it just wasn't felt possible to make that work reliably.

So could the new 2tph Cumbernauld services be dependent on Dalmeny Chord being built? Given Phil Verster's comments that not all the new services will commence immediately in 2018 and the fact that the Dalmeny Chord is proposed as an early CP6 project in the Scotland Route Study I wonder if we'll see statutory work on the chord restarting soon with construction then able to take place in early CP6 and the new services starting in December 2019 or 2020?
 

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Two interesting things from the Scotsman article on this topic that weren't explicit in the Transport Scotland release:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/scotrail-announces-major-increase-in-daily-trains-1-4071836

I notice that says the intercity services are likely to be branded along the lines of "InterCity Express". Could ScotRail move to formalise route branding, with two or possibly three distinct service identities - InterCity, Regional and Suburban?

Would they be allowed to introduce different fares? Obviously the standard regulated walk-up fare for a particular route should remain valid on any (permitted) train, but I'm thinking along the lines of "ScotRail Regional Only", where a ticket is cheaper but valid only on stopping trains. These would be walk-up fares, so different from train-specific Advances.
 

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I've had a bee in my bonnet about the tiny number of semi-fast services that do Stirling <> Edinburgh while there are loads non-stop Stirling <> Glasgow for ages. So pleased that these will be speeded up as well as worked by new EMUs in the fullness of time.
 

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Would they be allowed to introduce different fares? Obviously the standard regulated walk-up fare for a particular route should remain valid on any (permitted) train, but I'm thinking along the lines of "ScotRail Regional Only", where a ticket is cheaper but valid only on stopping trains. These would be walk-up fares, so different from train-specific Advances.

It makes no sense to do this where there's only one operator. Why incentivise overcrowding stopping trains with long distance passengers, leaving your long distance 'Intercity' trains to carry fresh air?
 

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People in the Borders will benefit as they will have a direct rail link to Edinburgh Gateway Station for Edinburgh Airport.

I wonder if the Edinburgh to Glasgow via Cumbernauld services could also be diverted via Edinburgh Gateway when the Dalmeny Chord is done (it did feature in the Scotland Route Study after all).

I can see those direct services from Fife towards the Borders having a lot of padding between Haymarket & Edinburgh to try and get them to depart Edinburgh on time for the long single track sections on the Borders line.

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Sounds like good changes with new services, maybe Scotrail will give some of those stations between Dundee & Arbroath a better service than the current 1/2 trains a day! (even if it's 2 hourly)
 

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I can see those direct services from Fife towards the Borders having a lot of padding between Haymarket & Edinburgh to try and get them to depart Edinburgh on time for the long single track sections on the Borders line.

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Sounds like good changes with new services, maybe Scotrail will give some of those stations between Dundee & Arbroath a better service than the current 1/2 trains a day! (even if it's 2 hourly)

Of the 5 stations I think it's unlikely there will be much change for Golf Street (which is just too close to Carnoustie) or Barry Links (which is just too far from anything).

Broughty Ferry and Monifieth will explicitly get an hourly service as part of the new plans.

That only leaves Balmossie. It may get a slightly more frequent service but I doubt it will be as much as 2 hourly. Again it's just too close to Monifieth and Broughty Ferry.
 

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Might be less good news for advocates of Grangemouth reopening. Easy option of extending from Grahamston is gone. Would need the 2tph terminating services extended all the way from Cumbernauld now making a positive business case harder to generate.

Would there be much capital cost in reopening Grangemouth given it'll already be electrified?
 

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Would there be much capital cost in reopening Grangemouth given it'll already be electrified?
It'll all depend on the council doing a feasibility study. And if the Falkirk Grahamston - Glasgow Queen Street service is being increased and extended to Edinburgh Waverley, then what can they really do? I doubt they'd extend the current Argyle Line electric services that far just to accommodate Grangemouth terminators.
 

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Broughty Ferry and Monifieth will explicitly get an hourly service as part of the new plans.

Bone idle-ism on my part - is TS bringing forward the closure of the level crossing at Broughty Ferry as part of this more frequent service ?
 

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It'll all depend on the council doing a feasibility study. And if the Falkirk Grahamston - Glasgow Queen Street service is being increased and extended to Edinburgh Waverley, then what can they really do? I doubt they'd extend the current Argyle Line electric services that far just to accommodate Grangemouth terminators.

There's the 2tph terminators at Cumbernauld you could extend. Business case might be better if you were looking at stations at Abronhill and Bonnybridge as well.

Would think capital costs for Grangemouth would be relatively low. Maybe £5m-£10m or so for the station and same again to bring the line up to passenger standards.

However it's been a low hanging fruit for years and Falkirk Council have never shown any interest in it so I doubt theyre about to start now when it's got a whole lot harder.
 

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Bone idle-ism on my part - is TS bringing forward the closure of the level crossing at Broughty Ferry as part of this more frequent service ?
Had a look on Dundee City Council's planning portal and nothing seems to be listed yet.
 
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