Electrification & Rolling Stock Cascade Impact Review

[Anvil1984]

A difference will be Pacers aren't allowed to do ECS moves in formations longer than 8 car, so having 3 car Pacers instead of newer better 2 car units will likely mean more ECS moves will be needed.

Pretty sure it's 8 cabs not coaches. Theoretically you could have a 12 coach 144

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Pretty sure it's 8 cabs not coaches. Theoretically you could have a 12 coach 144

Indeed I'm about 95% certain I've seen 9-car (3x3) 144 formations on several occasions, including with one or two of the units in passenger service.

 

[Geeves]

Ive not personally seen anything written down in an official rule book in regards to the number of 142s coupled, however I have heard that 4 units is as many as they can fit on the fuel pad at Newton Heath with out blocking the lines, though Ive sent a few ECS moves from Vic out in the past with 5 sets. I also heard about strain on the couplers but I dont see why it should be any different to any other BSI equipped unit. Those 150s from Birmingham came up with about 10 sets coupled up!

 

[northwichcat]

Ive not personally seen anything written down in an official rule book in regards to the number of 142s coupled, however I have heard that 4 units is as many as they can fit on the fuel pad at Newton Heath with out blocking the lines, though Ive sent a few ECS moves from Vic out in the past with 5 sets. I also heard about strain on the couplers but I dont see why it should be any different to any other BSI equipped unit. Those 150s from Birmingham came up with about 10 sets coupled up!

When 142s moved to FGW they ran in combinations longer than having 4 cabs but I've been told by some rail staff that they stopped allowing that soon after.

 

[WestCountry]

Pretty sure it's 8 cabs not coaches. Theoretically you could have a 12 coach 144

The engine control electronics on a 144's centre car count, according to a couple of previous threads on that subject.

 

[northwichcat]

TfL have issued an ITT for new EMUs to cover Gospel Oak to Barking and their other new routes in it they specify they'll keep the 172s for a period of 18 months after delivery of the new EMUs, which is expected during 2017.

http://www.publictenders.net/node/2559296

I imagine this means the LO 172s will be available for another operator to take on at the December 18 timetable change.

 

[Class 170101]

That all assumes that the electrification is actually carried out on time. Currently there appear to be few possessions for electrification of this line.

 

[59CosG95]

With the 377/5s due to take over GN services in the near future, where will the 365s they replace go?

 

[jopsuk]

Unclear. Especially as it isn't the entire 365 fleet (40 units) that is being released, not unless there's some more 377s sent to the GN as well. As far as I understand 365s will be kept for peak hour services.

 

[swt_passenger]

IIRC this was discussed over a few posts in one of the 'GoVia win Thameslink' type of threads, but without any detail being available it was mostly conjecture. One of the more entertaining suggestions was GW locals, justified because they looked just like the existing DMUs...

 

[LLivery]

The logical thing to do would be sending them to the Thames Valley and not allowing TSGN to keep some units, maybe by adding some more 700s or 378s to order for Peterborough peaks. The 365s would fit perfectly in the Thames Valley as its been run by their diesel cousins for 20 years. I'm sure 40 units would be enough as Crossrail would take major pressure off and they won't be used on the Greenford or North Downs.

They could be sent to Southeastern, but I'm not sure if they are really needed.

There are five 360s with Heathrow Connect - remove a car from two units, add them to two five car units. That would make 2 six car, 2 four car and 1 five car unit and send them to Anglia.

 

[Wolfie]

There are five 360s with Heathrow Connect - remove a car from two units, add them to two five car units. That would make 2 six car, 2 four car and 1 five car unit and send them to Anglia.

If your plan is post-2018 when Crossrail is up and running it makes some sense (although why 6 and 4 car trains and not 5 cars I'm not fully sure). If you are saying this should happen before that date I'm sure Heathrow airport, not to mention lots of passengers, will be chuffed to have no train service to Heathrow T4... not to mention the extant contracts you would have to rip up and the compensation likely due...

 

[samuelmorris]

Having a solo 5-car set seems a little odd - it's a shame there's an odd number of sets as otherwise you could have two or three 10-car sets, but then given the reduction in capacity vs. the standard 12, whether these would be viable in peak-hour services I'm not sure. GEML diagrams come at a premium! Integration with the 360/1 fleet does seem logical though, with no corridor connection I don't imagine they'd fit with any other Desiros very well.

The 365s though, I'm not sure. It doesn't make too much sense to split them up as you'd be left with two pretty small fleets, but I really don't see the need for 40 units just to cover extra peak capacity out of Kings Cross, given the number of TL off-peak services that will cover their routes.