Zone Changes

[telstarbox]

People are already moving further out - in some cases outside London altogether - because the cost of housing is increasing.

 

[WelshBluebird]

The fare from Chesham to Kings Cross is £7.00 during peak hours and £4.10 during off peak hours, which is quite expensive.

Doesn't sound that expensive for a one hour journey travelling 25-30 miles. Actually sounds pretty cheap to me.
Here in the south west, a 11-17 minute journey travelling around 12 miles is £7.50 in the peak or £7.30 off peak!!

 

[Busaholic]

Would be interesting to compare the cost of travelling from Chelsham, on the London/Surrey border, to central London using Southern Trains, with Chesham and the Met.
There'd be an outcry!

P.S. And rightly so

 

[MikeWh]

Would be interesting to compare the cost of travelling from Chelsham, on the London/Surrey border, to central London using Southern Trains, with Chesham and the Met.
There'd be an outcry!

P.S. And rightly so

Any chance you could hint where Chelsham is? Or what the nearest rail station is?

 

[Domh245]

Any chance you could hint where Chelsham is? Or what the nearest rail station is?

Halfway between Biggin Hill and Whyteleafe. ~2.7 miles to Upper Warlingham by the 409 metrobus

 

[MikeWh]

Would be interesting to compare the cost of travelling from Chelsham, on the London/Surrey border, to central London using Southern Trains, with Chesham and the Met.
There'd be an outcry!

P.S. And rightly so

Halfway between Biggin Hill and Whyteleafe. ~2.7 miles to Upper Warlingham by the 409 metrobus

Well I'm possibly missing something here, but which lot will be crying out loud?

Upper Warlingham is zone 6 compared to Chesham zone 9. Single fares to Oxford Circus are more for Upper Warlingham than Chesham, but the travelcard levels that out. I'm confused. Is the cost of the 409 important?

 

[yorkie]

Furthermore, it would be unfair if someone traveling 3 stops pays the same as someone taking the Tube to Watford.

True, I was able to buy a £5 fare in the VTEC sale to only go one stop, someone travelling on the Metropolitan Railway (or 'tube' if you must, though it really isn't ) from Watford would expect to pay more

In all seriousness, fares are not set to be "fair"; it's market based pricing.
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Would be interesting to compare the cost of travelling from Chelsham, on the London/Surrey border, to central London using Southern Trains, with Chesham and the Met.
There'd be an outcry!

P.S. And rightly so

I'm wondering if this comparison may be best in a dedicated thread, but we can keep it here for now.

The cost "using Southern (branded) trains" from the nearest station to Chelsham to central London would be £45.50 for a week, however I'm assuming you want to include the bus to the station, so a Travelcard at £59.10 would be required, which would allow buses at either end, as well as any other valid rail service within the Zones.

For Chesham to London, I can't see any way to get the cost below £70 (10 x £7 peak journeys), assuming it's a regular peak-time commute. A Travelcard would cost more (£84.20) though presumably wouldn't be required for this comparison, as Chesham is lucky enough to have a rail service.

So, now that we have that comparison, there will be an outcry?

 

[MikeWh]

The cost "using Southern (branded) trains" from the nearest station to Chelsham to central London would be £45.50 for a week, however I'm assuming you want to include the bus to the station, so a Travelcard at £59.10 would be required, which would allow buses at either end, as well as any other valid rail service within the Zones.

For Chesham to London, I can't see any way to get the cost below £70 (10 x £7 peak journeys), assuming it's a regular peak-time commute. A Travelcard would cost more (£84.20) though presumably wouldn't be required for this comparison, as Chesham is lucky enough to have a rail service.

So, now that we have that comparison, there will be an outcry?

Well the 409 isn't a TfL service, so you probably wouldn't need a travelcard but the bus fares may be higher. You could take the 403 from nearby Warlingham Sainsbury's to Sanderstead, or if you really wanted to save money you could take it into Croydon and lose a zone on the travelcard!

 

[Busaholic]

What I meant to imply in my post was that if London Underground (and Overground) went to an entirely flat fare system, the cost of travel from the outer reaches would certainly fall (quite dramatically I'd have thought) so that places like Chesham would benefit hugely, whereas places a similar, or even less, distance from central London in tube-free country would still be paying through the nose to the likes of Govia Thameslink. I only used Chelsham as an example because of its similarity to Chesham name-wise, but I'd be happy to swap it for somewhere with a station, like Caterham. In those circumstances, there would be a huge outcry from Caterham commuters, I suspect, when news of the price differential came out.

P.S. Thank you to those who worked out current prices. You really are a mine of information on this forum: we should all be grateful, and I certainly am.