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Wrexham, Shropshire & Midlands Railway updates

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WSMR announces that it wants to use BEMU bi-modes on the Alstom Adessia platform, which going by the pictures look very continental.
I would have thought that the regional Coradia platform would be much more suitable, rather than modifying the Adessia into a 125mph train.

I imagine Alstom want to win other UK contracts with the Adessia, and so want to make Derby one-platform Adessia-focused, much like it was with the Aventra and Electrostar.

I bet they won’t look very continental once they’ve been squeezed into our vehicle gauge…
A bit like the continental Desiro and the UK Desiro...
 
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What are they going to do if cross-country get the remaining 221 and wsmr actually get he green light?
Alstom currently are holding those 221s. I assume they are paying a fee to beacon for them to stop them being taken by anyone else

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I would have thought that the regional Coradia platform would be much more suitable, rather than modifying the Adessia into a 125mph train.

I imagine Alstom want to win other UK contracts with the Adessia, and so want to make Derby one-platform Adessia-focused, much like it was with the Aventra and Electrostar.


A bit like the continental Desiro and the UK Desiro...
They look like the Alstom units being introduced in Ireland. So the design should be close to UK loading guage already
 

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I would have thought that the regional Coradia platform would be much more suitable, rather than modifying the Adessia into a 125mph train.
Alstom pitch Adessia as a 120-200km/h train
I imagine Alstom want to win other UK contracts with the Adessia, and so want to make Derby one-platform Adessia-focused, much like it was with the Aventra and Electrostar.
Its a modular platform, designed to have different equipment (different voltages etc) installed, the actual body shape /size can be altered but still end up with a rectangular metal tube
A bit like the continental Desiro and the UK Desiro...
Yes and No, whilst some design ideas come from same family, and some parts are common, Desiro was more a concept that became two main variants.
Adessia as a platform is more a plug and play modular system, where don't muck about rewriting software (with its usual risks and delays), whichever version of bodywork or equipment, basically running a standard proven design, where some modules are not active or turned off as not fitted.

I suspect WSMR are piggybacking off a version already specified for either Scotrail, Northern or SouthEastern (and it may be they have all been offered basically the same thing, with tweaks to meet tenders)
Alstom’s Adessia™ commuter transport solutions support urban ecosystems all over the world to grow sustainably, accommodate increasing numbers of commuters and alleviate traffic congestion.

Building on its wealth of experience in delivering commuter train solutions, Alstom offers state-of-the-art high-floor multiple units and coaches for applications between 120 and 200 km/h. The diverse range allows for single-deck and double-deck configurations on electrified and non-electrified networks worldwide. Zero direct carbon emission solutions with hydrogen and battery technologies have also been developed to extend commuter operation beyond the electrified networks improving social and economic inclusion.

 

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I find it hard to understand how any change in rolling stock will improve WSMR's chances of gaining paths from the ORR.

Given the firebreak paths are used more or less everyday for almost daily late trains e.g. 1R19, I would say that Network Rail was right to assume the West Coast performance would deteriorate if more OA was granted and that the paths are required to kept empty.

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Rail Article: https://www.railmagazine.com/news/w...onsistently-high-level-as-new-access-requests
West Coast Main Line "not performing to consistently high level" as new access requests go in
“The West Coast Main Line is currently not performing to a consistently high level and recovery from incidents is taking longer due to the successive flighting of trains on the Fast lines.”

That’s what Network Rail has told the Office of Rail and Road (ORR), in response to a request about WCML capacity.

NR maintains that nine paths on the route are “theoretical”, but are structured gaps to help recover performance.

In a letter to the ORR on February 4, NR’s Managing Director of North West & Central Jake Kelly and Capacity Planning Director System Operator Hannah Linford said performance issues are felt particularly in the Rugby area.

They said analysis set out last year “demonstrated the importance of ample recovery being available to absorb sub-threshold delays before locations where there are multiple services tightly flighted”.

NR detailed the train patterns immediately before the ‘firebreak’ paths, arguing that several of the preceding trains are more than three minutes late up to 60% of the time, and warning that filling some of these slots could cause “significant risk of reactionary delay” or reduce recovery time to prevent such knock-on effects.

NR also said that, on average, the 0700 Manchester Piccadilly-London Euston has been 6.7 minutes late into London Euston between the start of the December timetable change and January 27. This uses one of the Up ‘firebreak paths’.

The 0700 was the service which ORR initially said Avanti West Coast could only run as an empty carriage move after the timetable change, before it then U-turned.

NR acknowledged that the majority of the cumulative 115 minutes of delay are due to NR. The 0700 has then caused 58 minutes of reactionary delay to other services, primarily others run by Avanti.

The letter comes as operators seek to run new services on the WCML.

Avanti West Coast has submitted bids to reinstate its off-peak Euston-Blackpool North return, the 1932 Chester-Euston, and to continue its Sundays-only 1753 Holyhead-Crewe service to London.

Like the 0700, these had to be withdrawn in December at the behest of the ORR, which agreed with NR there was no room to accommodate them.

Some of these could use ‘firebreak’ paths.

Meanwhile, the Wrexham, Shropshire and Midlands Railway (WSMR), which has also applied for three firm rights and one contingent right to run services to Euston via Walsall, has also written to NR and the ORR.

In a letter dated March 20, Mobilisation Director Darren Horley said WSMR questioned why NR said its updated timetable would lead to conflicts that are “unlikely to be resolved or would have significant impact on other services”, saying the operator had “demonstrated multiple times this is not the case”.

Horley added: “We note that Network Rail has nevertheless allowed the introduction of a number of weekday freight paths utilising capacity on the Fast Lines out of Euston and in the Euston station throat, including in peak hours (notwithstanding that initial discussions with the freight operator suggests not all these slots will be used or could be accommodated on the slow lines if more train/traincrew resources were allocated).”

NR confirmed that freight services for HS2 work will use the Down Fast until Willesden West London Junction, where they run onto the Up/Down relief lines.

“The path has been carefully planned to avoid crossing the West Coast Main Line before Wembley (Wembley Receptions 1-7), helping to prioritise the reliability of passenger services to and from Euston,” a spokesperson said.

Up services will use more of the Slow lines after joining the WCML from Harlesden Junction, crossing the Fast lines towards the HS2 site on the approach to Euston “where line speeds are slower and junction margins could be made to work far easier“.

Avanti is also applying to convert some of its additional Liverpool services from contingent to firm rights, amid NR concerns over power supply in the Weaver Junction area in Cheshire.

It is looking at potential workarounds such as Class 805 bi-mode units using diesel power, although it has insisted this can only be a temporary measure.
 
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I find it hard to understand how any change in rolling stock will improve WSMR's chances of gaining paths from the ORR.

Given the firebreak paths are used more or less everyday for almost daily late trains e.g. 1R19, I would say that Network Rail was right to assume the West Coast performance would deteriorate if more OA was granted and that the paths are required to kept empty.
I can’t view the article you’ve linked there

It’s asking me to make an account to read it
 

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Does anyone know when the next ORR board meeting is to discuss 'open access applications'? I think the WSMR are expecting a decision one way or another in April, as its been 5 months since they submitted this new OA application..
 

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Does anyone know when the next ORR board meeting is to discuss 'open access applications'? I think the WSMR are expecting a decision one way or another in April, as its been 5 months since they submitted this new OA application..
Took over a year last time. Although I suspect there's less to digest, or at least a lot of it has already been digested. I asked the same question a few weeks ago on this thread and I think people suspect "summer" time.
 

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Has anyone heard any news about the WSMR open access application, as the ORR were having a board meeting to discuss it with a decision due late June/Early July? Even it gets the green light its obviously too late for a Dec 26 or even May 27 start.
 

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No idea. I was told that news last week, from the ORR themselves.

We have been here before and decisions have been put off so let’s just see if any decision letters get issued this month.
 
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They are hoping to deal with all the WCML applications at their July board meeting.

Shrewsbury MP Julia Buckley posted this on Facebook in answer to a question yesterday following the visit of Heidi Alexander to Shrewsbury.

"the WSMR bid always had full DfT support, but the decision will be made by the regulator (the Office for Rail and Road).
Due to additional economic and capacity information provided for the bid, the regulator has moved the date of decision to September. I will continue to support the bid and explain the wider business case to Ministers like Heidi."
 
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Shrewsbury MP Julia Buckley posted this on Facebook in answer to a question yesterday following the visit of Heidi Alexander to Shrewsbury.
And presumably, and somewhat annoyingly, keeps the ex Avanti 6 (221s) in limbo for that bit longer. Unless the plan has now changed for Alstom to have the new services up and running with their new build stock?
 

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And presumably, and somewhat annoyingly, keeps the ex Avanti 6 (221s) in limbo for that bit longer. Unless the plan has now changed for Alstom to have the new services up and running with their new build stock?
Are Alstom building new rolling stock then ?
I am rusty on new build but from what I understand there are 10 x CAF 897 for LNER and 14 x 8xx for FG (Lumo) in build. Waiting authority are the new Northern fleet and presumably the Project Churchward negotiations on the GWR desk. Oh and the Scotrail order needing to be finalised.
 

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Are Alstom building new rolling stock then ?
I am rusty on new build but from what I understand there are 10 x CAF 897 for LNER and 14 x 8xx for FG (Lumo) in build. Waiting authority are the new Northern fleet and presumably the Project Churchward negotiations on the GWR desk. Oh and the Scotrail order needing to be finalised.
They have proposed a new UK design based on the “Adessia” platform, however I’m not sure if the plan is to start with the Voyagers and then move onto the Bi-Mode Adessia’s or now aim for a new start with a brand new train a few years down the pipeline.

In December the Alstom-backed operation resubmitted its application to run between the North Wales city and London Euston via Shrewsbury and Walsall after its initial bid was rejected by the Office of Rail and Road (ORR) last year.

In a letter to the regulator and Network Rail, Mobilisation Director Darren Horley said: “Should our application be successful, WSMR will work alongside its parent company, Alstom, and will commit to invest in a new bi-mode battery-electric fleet based on the Adessia platform – Alstom’s new generation passenger train designed specifically for the UK market.

“Initial discussions regarding the procurement of a small new fleet have already commenced with Alstom and a financier.”
 
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They have proposed a new UK design based on the “Adessia” platform, however I’m not sure if the plan is to start with the Voyagers and then move onto the Bi-Mode Adessia’s or now aim for a new start with a brand new train a few years down the pipeline.

I thought the service would travel between Nuneaton and Walsall using the Sutton Park Line rather than reversing at Walsall. This would reduce the electrified route north of Nuneaton to between Walsall and Wolverhampton.
 

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I thought the service would travel between Nuneaton and Walsall using the Sutton Park Line rather than reversing at Walsall. This would reduce the electrified route north of Nuneaton to between Walsall and Wolverhampton.
I agree. The article is in error saying that Nuneaton to Walsall is electrified. The only way that route could be run under the wires would be if it ran via Birmingham New Street which is not going to happen and even if it did there would still be a gap in the electrification between Birmingham and Nuneaton.
 

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