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WSMR announces that it wants to use BEMU bi-modes on the Alstom Adessia platform, which going by the pictures look very continental.
I would have thought that the regional Coradia platform would be much more suitable, rather than modifying the Adessia into a 125mph train.

I imagine Alstom want to win other UK contracts with the Adessia, and so want to make Derby one-platform Adessia-focused, much like it was with the Aventra and Electrostar.

I bet they won’t look very continental once they’ve been squeezed into our vehicle gauge…
A bit like the continental Desiro and the UK Desiro...
 
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What are they going to do if cross-country get the remaining 221 and wsmr actually get he green light?
Alstom currently are holding those 221s. I assume they are paying a fee to beacon for them to stop them being taken by anyone else

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I would have thought that the regional Coradia platform would be much more suitable, rather than modifying the Adessia into a 125mph train.

I imagine Alstom want to win other UK contracts with the Adessia, and so want to make Derby one-platform Adessia-focused, much like it was with the Aventra and Electrostar.


A bit like the continental Desiro and the UK Desiro...
They look like the Alstom units being introduced in Ireland. So the design should be close to UK loading guage already
 

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I would have thought that the regional Coradia platform would be much more suitable, rather than modifying the Adessia into a 125mph train.
Alstom pitch Adessia as a 120-200km/h train
I imagine Alstom want to win other UK contracts with the Adessia, and so want to make Derby one-platform Adessia-focused, much like it was with the Aventra and Electrostar.
Its a modular platform, designed to have different equipment (different voltages etc) installed, the actual body shape /size can be altered but still end up with a rectangular metal tube
A bit like the continental Desiro and the UK Desiro...
Yes and No, whilst some design ideas come from same family, and some parts are common, Desiro was more a concept that became two main variants.
Adessia as a platform is more a plug and play modular system, where don't muck about rewriting software (with its usual risks and delays), whichever version of bodywork or equipment, basically running a standard proven design, where some modules are not active or turned off as not fitted.

I suspect WSMR are piggybacking off a version already specified for either Scotrail, Northern or SouthEastern (and it may be they have all been offered basically the same thing, with tweaks to meet tenders)
Alstom’s Adessia™ commuter transport solutions support urban ecosystems all over the world to grow sustainably, accommodate increasing numbers of commuters and alleviate traffic congestion.

Building on its wealth of experience in delivering commuter train solutions, Alstom offers state-of-the-art high-floor multiple units and coaches for applications between 120 and 200 km/h. The diverse range allows for single-deck and double-deck configurations on electrified and non-electrified networks worldwide. Zero direct carbon emission solutions with hydrogen and battery technologies have also been developed to extend commuter operation beyond the electrified networks improving social and economic inclusion.

 

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I find it hard to understand how any change in rolling stock will improve WSMR's chances of gaining paths from the ORR.

Given the firebreak paths are used more or less everyday for almost daily late trains e.g. 1R19, I would say that Network Rail was right to assume the West Coast performance would deteriorate if more OA was granted and that the paths are required to kept empty.

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Rail Article: https://www.railmagazine.com/news/w...onsistently-high-level-as-new-access-requests
West Coast Main Line "not performing to consistently high level" as new access requests go in
“The West Coast Main Line is currently not performing to a consistently high level and recovery from incidents is taking longer due to the successive flighting of trains on the Fast lines.”

That’s what Network Rail has told the Office of Rail and Road (ORR), in response to a request about WCML capacity.

NR maintains that nine paths on the route are “theoretical”, but are structured gaps to help recover performance.

In a letter to the ORR on February 4, NR’s Managing Director of North West & Central Jake Kelly and Capacity Planning Director System Operator Hannah Linford said performance issues are felt particularly in the Rugby area.

They said analysis set out last year “demonstrated the importance of ample recovery being available to absorb sub-threshold delays before locations where there are multiple services tightly flighted”.

NR detailed the train patterns immediately before the ‘firebreak’ paths, arguing that several of the preceding trains are more than three minutes late up to 60% of the time, and warning that filling some of these slots could cause “significant risk of reactionary delay” or reduce recovery time to prevent such knock-on effects.

NR also said that, on average, the 0700 Manchester Piccadilly-London Euston has been 6.7 minutes late into London Euston between the start of the December timetable change and January 27. This uses one of the Up ‘firebreak paths’.

The 0700 was the service which ORR initially said Avanti West Coast could only run as an empty carriage move after the timetable change, before it then U-turned.

NR acknowledged that the majority of the cumulative 115 minutes of delay are due to NR. The 0700 has then caused 58 minutes of reactionary delay to other services, primarily others run by Avanti.

The letter comes as operators seek to run new services on the WCML.

Avanti West Coast has submitted bids to reinstate its off-peak Euston-Blackpool North return, the 1932 Chester-Euston, and to continue its Sundays-only 1753 Holyhead-Crewe service to London.

Like the 0700, these had to be withdrawn in December at the behest of the ORR, which agreed with NR there was no room to accommodate them.

Some of these could use ‘firebreak’ paths.

Meanwhile, the Wrexham, Shropshire and Midlands Railway (WSMR), which has also applied for three firm rights and one contingent right to run services to Euston via Walsall, has also written to NR and the ORR.

In a letter dated March 20, Mobilisation Director Darren Horley said WSMR questioned why NR said its updated timetable would lead to conflicts that are “unlikely to be resolved or would have significant impact on other services”, saying the operator had “demonstrated multiple times this is not the case”.

Horley added: “We note that Network Rail has nevertheless allowed the introduction of a number of weekday freight paths utilising capacity on the Fast Lines out of Euston and in the Euston station throat, including in peak hours (notwithstanding that initial discussions with the freight operator suggests not all these slots will be used or could be accommodated on the slow lines if more train/traincrew resources were allocated).”

NR confirmed that freight services for HS2 work will use the Down Fast until Willesden West London Junction, where they run onto the Up/Down relief lines.

“The path has been carefully planned to avoid crossing the West Coast Main Line before Wembley (Wembley Receptions 1-7), helping to prioritise the reliability of passenger services to and from Euston,” a spokesperson said.

Up services will use more of the Slow lines after joining the WCML from Harlesden Junction, crossing the Fast lines towards the HS2 site on the approach to Euston “where line speeds are slower and junction margins could be made to work far easier“.

Avanti is also applying to convert some of its additional Liverpool services from contingent to firm rights, amid NR concerns over power supply in the Weaver Junction area in Cheshire.

It is looking at potential workarounds such as Class 805 bi-mode units using diesel power, although it has insisted this can only be a temporary measure.
 
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I find it hard to understand how any change in rolling stock will improve WSMR's chances of gaining paths from the ORR.

Given the firebreak paths are used more or less everyday for almost daily late trains e.g. 1R19, I would say that Network Rail was right to assume the West Coast performance would deteriorate if more OA was granted and that the paths are required to kept empty.
I can’t view the article you’ve linked there

It’s asking me to make an account to read it
 

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Does anyone know when the next ORR board meeting is to discuss 'open access applications'? I think the WSMR are expecting a decision one way or another in April, as its been 5 months since they submitted this new OA application..
 

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Does anyone know when the next ORR board meeting is to discuss 'open access applications'? I think the WSMR are expecting a decision one way or another in April, as its been 5 months since they submitted this new OA application..
Took over a year last time. Although I suspect there's less to digest, or at least a lot of it has already been digested. I asked the same question a few weeks ago on this thread and I think people suspect "summer" time.
 

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Has anyone heard any news about the WSMR open access application, as the ORR were having a board meeting to discuss it with a decision due late June/Early July? Even it gets the green light its obviously too late for a Dec 26 or even May 27 start.
 

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No idea. I was told that news last week, from the ORR themselves.

We have been here before and decisions have been put off so let’s just see if any decision letters get issued this month.
 
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They are hoping to deal with all the WCML applications at their July board meeting.

Shrewsbury MP Julia Buckley posted this on Facebook in answer to a question yesterday following the visit of Heidi Alexander to Shrewsbury.

"the WSMR bid always had full DfT support, but the decision will be made by the regulator (the Office for Rail and Road).
Due to additional economic and capacity information provided for the bid, the regulator has moved the date of decision to September. I will continue to support the bid and explain the wider business case to Ministers like Heidi."
 
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Shrewsbury MP Julia Buckley posted this on Facebook in answer to a question yesterday following the visit of Heidi Alexander to Shrewsbury.
And presumably, and somewhat annoyingly, keeps the ex Avanti 6 (221s) in limbo for that bit longer. Unless the plan has now changed for Alstom to have the new services up and running with their new build stock?
 

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And presumably, and somewhat annoyingly, keeps the ex Avanti 6 (221s) in limbo for that bit longer. Unless the plan has now changed for Alstom to have the new services up and running with their new build stock?
Are Alstom building new rolling stock then ?
I am rusty on new build but from what I understand there are 10 x CAF 897 for LNER and 14 x 8xx for FG (Lumo) in build. Waiting authority are the new Northern fleet and presumably the Project Churchward negotiations on the GWR desk. Oh and the Scotrail order needing to be finalised.
 

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Are Alstom building new rolling stock then ?
I am rusty on new build but from what I understand there are 10 x CAF 897 for LNER and 14 x 8xx for FG (Lumo) in build. Waiting authority are the new Northern fleet and presumably the Project Churchward negotiations on the GWR desk. Oh and the Scotrail order needing to be finalised.
They have proposed a new UK design based on the “Adessia” platform, however I’m not sure if the plan is to start with the Voyagers and then move onto the Bi-Mode Adessia’s or now aim for a new start with a brand new train a few years down the pipeline.

In December the Alstom-backed operation resubmitted its application to run between the North Wales city and London Euston via Shrewsbury and Walsall after its initial bid was rejected by the Office of Rail and Road (ORR) last year.

In a letter to the regulator and Network Rail, Mobilisation Director Darren Horley said: “Should our application be successful, WSMR will work alongside its parent company, Alstom, and will commit to invest in a new bi-mode battery-electric fleet based on the Adessia platform – Alstom’s new generation passenger train designed specifically for the UK market.

“Initial discussions regarding the procurement of a small new fleet have already commenced with Alstom and a financier.”
 
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They have proposed a new UK design based on the “Adessia” platform, however I’m not sure if the plan is to start with the Voyagers and then move onto the Bi-Mode Adessia’s or now aim for a new start with a brand new train a few years down the pipeline.

I thought the service would travel between Nuneaton and Walsall using the Sutton Park Line rather than reversing at Walsall. This would reduce the electrified route north of Nuneaton to between Walsall and Wolverhampton.
 

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I thought the service would travel between Nuneaton and Walsall using the Sutton Park Line rather than reversing at Walsall. This would reduce the electrified route north of Nuneaton to between Walsall and Wolverhampton.
I agree. The article is in error saying that Nuneaton to Walsall is electrified. The only way that route could be run under the wires would be if it ran via Birmingham New Street which is not going to happen and even if it did there would still be a gap in the electrification between Birmingham and Nuneaton.
 

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Should be a decision made next week apparently according to Julia Buckley Facebook announcement.

"Update on our Direct London train bid for Shropshire rail passengers

For months, I've been working with partners across Shropshire, the West Midlands and Wales to make the strongest possible case for restoring a direct rail service between Shrewsbury and London.

I've now submitted a major new report, our Strategic Business Case, setting out the huge economic benefits this connection could bring to our county: https://shrewsburylabour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/SBC-Shropshire-London-Sept-2026.pdf

The report shows that Shropshire's visitor economy is now worth more than £1 billion a year, supports almost 9,500 jobs, and that businesses, education providers and tourism organisations are united in backing a direct London service. It argues that better connectivity would help attract investment, boost tourism, widen access to jobs and education, and unlock opportunities across Shropshire, Mid Wales and the West Midlands.

The decision on the WSMR direct London service proposal will be announced by the Office of Rail and Road (ORR) on 29 September 2026.

Whatever the outcome, we will keep making the case that Shropshire deserves the same connections enjoyed by every other mainland English county.

And there's more positive news for rail passengers regarding our regional route to Birmingham.

Following a productive meeting with Transport for Wales, I can confirm that the long-awaited upgrade of the Shrewsbury to Birmingham service is moving ahead.
The rollout begins this month, with trains increasing from 2 carriages to 4 and 5 carriages, and by Spring 2027 all services will be operating with larger trains.

Even better, over the Christmas period, the existing rolling stock will remain in service alongside the new trains, effectively providing double capacity at one of the busiest times of the year.

After years of overcrowding, this is a really welcome step forward for passengers across our region.

✅ Fighting for a direct London service
✅ More seats on Shrewsbury-Birmingham trains
✅ Better rail connections for Shropshire

We're making progress, and I'll keep pushing for the transport links our county deserves.

Transport for Wales Trafnidiaeth Cymru | ALSTOM | Shropshire CouncilShrewsbury BID Shropshire Chamber Shrewsbury Town Council Department
 

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Considering it was declined on capacity grounds - how can the answer not be a decline again? Nothing has changed.
 

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Considering it was declined on capacity grounds - how can the answer not be a decline again? Nothing has changed.
I think to combat this, they reduced from 5 to 4 trains, and instead of asking for available paths, they've asked for existing but unused paths.
 

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Should be a decision made next week apparently according to Julia Buckley Facebook announcement.
The link says should be announcement 29th September

Considering it was declined on capacity grounds - how can the answer not be a decline again? Nothing has changed.
29th September is day 3 of Labour Party conference, when the leader is scheduled to speak.

Something tells me that is not likely to be a day of negative announcements, and anyway, why would local MP send out note if something is not going to happen.
 

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For months, I've been working with partners across Shropshire, the West Midlands and Wales to make the strongest possible case for restoring a direct rail service between Shrewsbury and London.

I've now submitted a major new report, our Strategic Business Case, setting out the huge economic benefits this connection could bring to our county: https://shrewsburylabour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/SBC-Shropshire-London-Sept-2026.pdf

Fair play for writing that, it is well written.

I will, however, be ‘that guy’ who points out that it is not a Strategic Business Case. It is a Benefits case. It sets out the potential benefits to Shropshire. As you rightly point out, Shrewsbury is growing without a direct link.

It doesn’t set out the potential costs to the taxpayer, nor any of the risks. It is also not Government who will make a decision, nor will they announce it.

(I write as someone with a close affinity to Shropshire, and travel there regularly. Usually by trains).
 
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Should be a decision made next week apparently according to Julia Buckley Facebook announcement.

"⁩ Update on our Direct London train bid for Shropshire rail passengers

For months, I've been working with partners across Shropshire, the West Midlands and Wales to make the strongest possible case for restoring a direct rail service between Shrewsbury and London.

I've now submitted a major new report, our Strategic Business Case, setting out the huge economic benefits this connection could bring to our county: https://shrewsburylabour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/SBC-Shropshire-London-Sept-2026.pdf

The report shows that Shropshire's visitor economy is now worth more than £1 billion a year, supports almost 9,500 jobs, and that businesses, education providers and tourism organisations are united in backing a direct London service. It argues that better connectivity would help attract investment, boost tourism, widen access to jobs and education, and unlock opportunities across Shropshire, Mid Wales and the West Midlands.

The decision on the WSMR direct London service proposal will be announced by the Office of Rail and Road (ORR) on 29 September 2026.

Whatever the outcome, we will keep making the case that Shropshire deserves the same connections enjoyed by every other mainland English county.

And there's more positive news for rail passengers regarding our regional route to Birmingham.

Following a productive meeting with Transport for Wales, I can confirm that the long-awaited upgrade of the Shrewsbury to Birmingham service is moving ahead.
The rollout begins this month, with trains increasing from 2 carriages to 4 and 5 carriages, and by Spring 2027 all services will be operating with larger trains.

Even better, over the Christmas period, the existing rolling stock will remain in service alongside the new trains, effectively providing double capacity at one of the busiest times of the year.

After years of overcrowding, this is a really welcome step forward for passengers across our region.

✅ Fighting for a direct London service
✅ More seats on Shrewsbury-Birmingham trains
✅ Better rail connections for Shropshire

We're making progress, and I'll keep pushing for the transport links our county deserves.

Transport for Wales Trafnidiaeth Cymru | ALSTOM | Shropshire CouncilShrewsbury BID Shropshire Chamber Shrewsbury Town Council Department"
Am I missing something as most TfW trains already are 4 coaches to Brum and why spend all that time and effort putting together a 'business case' that is missing most of what needs to be in a business case.

Dont get me wrong, I used Wrexham and Shropshire and understand what this link brings knowing the area well BUT the capacity issues remain, the service isnt financialy viable, it will extract revenue and your 'business case' is missing almost everything it should contain.

It isn't hard to find a properly constructed business case example online that you could have followed.

i suspect the elements you didn't cover were missed deliberately as they would clearly demonstrate that this svheme never did or will deliver value for money.

There are some schemes that just need burying so no more money is wasted on them as they will never ve viable iin the real world and sadly this is one. i really hope labour dont keep false hope alive here. This is not a Northumberlabd Line or an Okehampton, its a previously failed scheme rehashed.
 

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Am I missing something as most TfW trains already are 4 coaches to Brum
From experience, TfW short-forming ( i.e. 2 cars vice 4) of Cambrian services is endemic both sides of Shrewsbury with the absence of a Pwllheli portion very frequent. Realtime Trains data suggests around two thirds of TfW Birminghams have been 2 cars in the last couple of days.
It isn't hard to find a properly constructed business case example online that you could have followed.
The ‘Business Case’ quoted in post #713 is the work of the local MP, a £98k public servant. Mmmm.
 

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