Wrexham redouble

[TDK]

Do you actually mean Welsh Government spending its Capital money on the three English Hub Stations, out of interest.

Well they seem to be wanting to spend money on the redouble with just a minor percentage of this line being in Wales so why not?

 

[merlodlliw]

Well they seem to be wanting to spend money on the redouble with just a minor percentage of this line being in Wales so why not?

Presume you are referring to the landlocked section in Cheshire west.

 

[TDK]

Presume you are referring to the landlocked section in Cheshire west.

As far as I am aware the only section of the redouble in Wales is to the Welsh Border near Rossett. The rest is in England

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

As far as I am aware the only section of the redouble in Wales is to the Welsh Border near Rossett. The rest is in England

1.5 miles in Wales, 4 miles in England, all in LNW Route and signalled from Chester PSB.

 

[cymro inside]

buses replace trains last two weekends in march Rhyl-Chester-Wrexham,to allow major work at Saltney Junction and elsewhere.

 

[merlodlliw]

As far as I am aware the only section of the redouble in Wales is to the Welsh Border near Rossett. The rest is in England

You are mostly correct,however there must be a bit at Saltney(Flintshire),well spotted TDK, Ill certainly get this important development you have noted raised in Cardiff Bay,another tool for us to put to the Minister in our push for the other two miles which were culled and most defiantly are in Wrexham(Wales) to be redoubled.
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buses replace trains last two weekends in march Rhyl-Chester-Wrexham,to allow major work at Saltney Junction and elsewhere.

According to the head of Network Rail in Wales, there will be a block-aid,on the line over two weeks in late August from Chester to Rossett,
Some important track laying equipment? has been booked for the period via NR HQ.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

You are mostly correct,however there must be a bit at Saltney(Flintshire)

No Bob, the GWR line skirts the Welsh border in Saltney without crossing it.
The road next to it to the west is "Boundary Lane", and the Cheshire/Flintshire border runs along the western side of it (ie the road and railway are in England).
Saltney GWR station was therefore in England (Saltney Ferry LNWR on the Holyhead line was in Wales).
Saltney Junction is also in Cheshire.
In passing, on the other side of the river Dee, Chester's football ground is actually in Wales (but can only be approached from England)!

 

[frodshamfella]

Im not sure if this has been covered, but I read very recently in a Liverpool publication that, a further step forward has been made to restore the Halton curve to full service. Thought Id mention as not far from the subject matter here.

 

[merlodlliw]

Thanks for the info LNW-GW joint, I always get confused with that pub by the bridge,

in the 50s it had double names "Last House In England" and "First House In England" that was in the days of dry Sundays in Wales.

SWMBO has just reminded me of the coaches that ran from Wrexham to Chester on Sunday evenings in the 50s for the heathen brew
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Im not sure if this has been covered, but I read very recently in a Liverpool publication that, a further step forward has been made to restore the Halton curve to full service. Thought Id mention as not far from the subject matter here.

Indeed it has, the new WG North Wales travel quango is very keen,and I am sure Taith the North Wales travel consortium(about to be killed off) as promised some funding for the study.

 

[TDK]

buses replace trains last two weekends in march Rhyl-Chester-Wrexham,to allow major work at Saltney Junction and elsewhere.

All the pointwork is by the side of the track and has been there for a couple of weeks. I think they are just replacing the junction. The track between Saltney Junction to Rosset has a lot of jointed track in place and needs desperately replacing but this is in England, the section from the Border to Wrexham was replaced quite a while back. It is the same on the A483, as soon as you cross the border you go from a cracked concrete road to a smooth tarmac road, says it all really!

 

[frodshamfella]

Thanks for the info LNW-GW joint, I always get confused with that pub by the bridge,

in the 50s it had double names "Last House In England" and "First House In England" that was in the days of dry Sundays in Wales.

SWMBO has just reminded me of the coaches that ran from Wrexham to Chester on Sunday evenings in the 50s for the heathen brew
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Indeed it has, the new WG North Wales travel quango is very keen,and I am sure Taith the North Wales travel consortium(about to be killed off) as promised some funding for the study.

I'd very much like to see this link brought back into full operation, it would be very useful. Fingers crossed !

 

[Gareth Marston]

All the pointwork is by the side of the track and has been there for a couple of weeks. I think they are just replacing the junction. The track between Saltney Junction to Rosset has a lot of jointed track in place and needs desperately replacing but this is in England, the section from the Border to Wrexham was replaced quite a while back. It is the same on the A483, as soon as you cross the border you go from a cracked concrete road to a smooth tarmac road, says it all really!

Try the A483/A5 south of Ruabon whenever I drive up Wrexham way the difference between North Shropshire/Powys and Wrexham is very noticeable of course the dual carriageway heads to the north west where demand is. Your roads are A grade.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

The track between Saltney Junction to Rosset has a lot of jointed track in place and needs desperately replacing but this is in England, the section from the Border to Wrexham was replaced quite a while back.

But the line is under one management (LNW) throughout.
The bad stretch north of Rossett I think is on both sides of the border.
It doesn't go "clickety-clack", it goes "clickety-clickety-clickety...clack.
Some funny rail lengths there, always a bad sign!

 

[merlodlliw]

buses replace trains last two weekends in march Rhyl-Chester-Wrexham,to allow major work at Saltney Junction and elsewhere.

Is the saltney job anything to do with redouble?
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Try the A483/A5 south of Ruabon whenever I drive up Wrexham way the difference between North Shropshire/Powys and Wrexham is very noticeable of course the dual carriageway heads to the north west where demand is. Your roads are A grade.

Anŷone using the 483 between Rossett and the post house junction can expect two to three mile queues between 0700 and 0900. All heading north west

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Is the saltney job anything to do with redouble?

According to the NR GRIP report to WG, the junction upgrade is the addition of a turnout in the Down Holyhead to form the new Up line to Wrexham.
The existing line from Wrexham through Saltney old station becomes the Down.
It isn't clear whether any changes are needed in the existing junction layout.

Having had a look at the track survey, it shows about 2 miles of old jointed rail around Balderton mostly dating from 1963, and a similar stretch of 1000 yards near Rossett.
Some of the CWR is also the original 60ft lengths welded up, not new rail!

 

[The Planner]

The pointwork for the double junction goes in before anything else which is probably what this job is. The new turnout for the up line will go in and just stop in a pile of ballast while the existing line gets its junction renewed.

 

[snowball]

Anŷone using the 483 between Rossett and the post house junction can expect two to three mile queues between 0700 and 0900. All heading north west

\no wonder they have difficulty, the A483 tends to go between north and north-east.

 

[merlodlliw]

Well how does Wrexham North East Wales to Cheshire West & Chester Sound.
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The pointwork for the double junction goes in before anything else which is probably what this job is. The new turnout for the up line will go in and just stop in a pile of ballast while the existing line gets its junction renewed.

Thanks,

Is the 90MPH still on from Saltney to Rossett?

 

[The Planner]

It is still shown on the draft plans I have seen, 60mph from there onwards.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

It is still shown on the draft plans I have seen, 60mph from there onwards.

Oh dear. No improvement up/down Gresford Bank then.

 

[Gareth Marston]

According to the NR GRIP report to WG, the junction upgrade is the addition of a turnout in the Down Holyhead to form the new Up line to Wrexham.
The existing line from Wrexham through Saltney old station becomes the Down.
It isn't clear whether any changes are needed in the existing junction layout.

Having had a look at the track survey, it shows about 2 miles of old jointed rail around Balderton mostly dating from 1963, and a similar stretch of 1000 yards near Rossett.
Some of the CWR is also the original 60ft lengths welded up, not new rail!

Another thing to come out that report is that if the hourly Holyheads are implemented before the Marches is re signalled virtually all the freight will have to be looped at Panteg, Pontrilas, Wooferton heading north sounds like recipe for carnage on punctuality!

 

[The Planner]

Would be very wrong if it worked like that, if the freights cannot be looped the new ATW trains should be rejected as they were second on the graph as the freights will have pretty solid contractual rights. The re-signalling won't be a miracle capacity producer anyway.

 

[Gareth Marston]

Would be very wrong if it worked like that, if the freights cannot be looped the new ATW trains should be rejected as they were second on the graph as the freights will have pretty solid contractual rights. The re-signalling won't be a miracle capacity producer anyway.

It might be very wrong but the hourly Cardiff to Holyhead hourly proposal is something of a holy grail in some quarters and collateral damage does not register.

 

[transmanche]

It might be very wrong but the hourly Cardiff to Holyhead hourly proposal is something of a holy grail in some quarters and collateral damage does not register.

But thankfully we'll always have you to draw our attention to it... on every possible occasion :roll:

 

[Gareth Marston]

But thankfully we'll always have you to draw our attention to it... on every possible occasion :roll:

Too right still no sign of those extra trains running even though the infrastructure will be in place a la Cambrian

 

[merlodlliw]

It is still shown on the draft plans I have seen, 60mph from there onwards.

So that means 60MPH from Rossett right through to Bersham,that knocks the WG brag about 17 minute saving in time from Cardiff to Holyhead.
What a shambles. Thanks for the infos.

Bob

 

[The Planner]

It might be very wrong but the hourly Cardiff to Holyhead hourly proposal is something of a holy grail in some quarters and collateral damage does not register.

It should do as the FOCs could quite easily take them to the cleaners via a timetable dispute.
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So that means 60MPH from Rossett right through to Bersham,that knocks the WG brag about 17 minute saving in time from Cardiff to Holyhead.
What a shambles. Thanks for the infos.

Bob

Bear in mind these are only draft plans, not the final signed off ones, things still might change....

 

[merlodlliw]

Oh dear. No improvement up/down Gresford Bank then.

from another source,within the Railway

I've heard that the only changes in speed around that point is from (Wrexham North Junction to Saltney Junction) 206mp 60c to 208mp 60c and will increase from 60mph to 90mph and also from (Saltney Junction to Wrexham North Junction) 211m 60c to 206m to 60c will again increase from 60mph to 90mph.

 

[The Planner]

Backs up what I have seen, though I did think it would be 90 both ways, seems odd that it isn't.

 

[TDK]

So that means 60MPH from Rossett right through to Bersham,that knocks the WG brag about 17 minute saving in time from Cardiff to Holyhead.
What a shambles. Thanks for the infos.

Bob

The current 60mph is from about 500m from Saltney Junction (50mph) until you get to about 500m from Wrexham North Junction (50) then to 60mph again until Croess Newydd Box where it goes to 70mph/60. It then drops to 50 approaching Ruabon to go back to 60 until you have crossed Cefn Viaduct where it is 70 all the way until just outside Shrewsbury. As far as I am ware on the down it is 70mph from after the road bridge outside Ruabon until Wrexham North Junction.