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Woking - Basingstoke (near Hook) landslip (15/01/23)

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The South Western Circular, the journal of the South Western Circle, has had a series of articles on the Woking-Basingstoke widening in recent years; unfortunately, it has only got to Elvetham, just west of Fleet. However, a skim through suggests that west of Fleet the embankments were widened on the south side.
 

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Actually from around 1900, when the line here was widened out from two tracks to four. The way in which there is a sheer face for the collapse on one side, but the other side of the formation is still robust enough to run trains on, looks like the failure may be along the face between the original and the widening material. The other embankment collapses along here, particularly the big 1961 one, show the same.
While that's certainly a possible factor, it's quite common in rotational slips even in homogeneous cohesive soils for the slip circle to be close to vertical at the upper end. It's just a consequence of the geometry of the failure surface.

Soil mechanics as an engineering discipline was virtually unknown when the railways were built, as numerical methods of analysis were only developed in the 20th century. The design method of the time was pretty much: try it and see.

Workmanship could also be suspect. In the 1970s I was involved in removing a disused railway embankment (admittedly only a branch line) that would have been built around the same time as Hook was quadrupled. The lower section was uncompacted lumps of clay up to 300 - 400 mm across, with voids big enough to get a hand into. At the base was the original field's topsoil with a layer of very dead grass at the interface. The clay fill had evidently just been tipped onto the surface of the field without any preparation.

Unsurprisingly the top half metre or more of the embankment was ash and clinker, presumably placed by track gangs over the decades to try to keep the track up to level as the embankment settled.
 

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The South Western Circular, the journal of the South Western Circle, has had a series of articles on the Woking-Basingstoke widening in recent years; unfortunately, it has only got to Elvetham, just west of Fleet. However, a skim through suggests that west of Fleet the embankments were widened on the south side.
They were - there was initially a tunnel west of Winchfield. 'High Bridge' at 40m 31ch is the nearly exact location and the former tunnel wall, what remains of it, is visible on the up slow line. What are now the down main/slow are to the south of that.
 

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But the problem still exists. The root system remains and pulls all the moisture out of the embankment in hot weather, causing shrinkage. The amount of subsidence claims related to Plane Trees and Willow trees from the roots removing all the water in London Clay is massive.
That is true, I've only solved the leaf drop, overshadowing, signals obscured by undergrowth, and trees falling over because they're too heavy for their roots problems. At the expense of tree lovers going 'Jesus, you've killed them!' .
 

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They were - there was initially a tunnel west of Winchfield. 'High Bridge' at 40m 31ch is the nearly exact location and the former tunnel wall, what remains of it, is visible on the up slow line. What are now the down main/slow are to the south of that.
Contemporary press reports mention a land slip near that point during the works in 1900, and that this was common ("huge subsidences which almost inevitably happen") during or just after construction. 7000 tons of soil slipped down close to the tracks, and the cause was given as heavy spring rains and a "vein of clay in the embankment". That sounds more like it's something natural - did "embankment" at the time mean any earthwork? It was also said to be "exactly opposite" a bigger slip just after the line opened that closed it for several months and carried away part of the tunnel.
 

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As I have posted alredy elsewhere, and a.n.other referred to upthread, there was a very similar slip there in December 1960 affecting both Up roads - and to make one Up and one Down road usable they slewed over the Down roads alignment.

One page on it in Trains Illustrated March 1961; both Up lines affected; Up and Down lines established by slews over Down lines. Up Local sagged into deep dip and Up Through undermined. The 03/61 issue give no date but the previous TI issue had a brief note in ''motive power miscellany'' stating slip occurred 27/12/60.

I’ve uploaded copy from TI to my free flickr area Ian Allan duly acknowledged and hope they don’t mind.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/58218988@N07/52638430197
https://www.flickr.com/photos/58218988@N07/52639380660

I do not know EXACTLY where either slip was/is but they look suspiciously similar just based on a couple of photos - one could wonder if the 2023 incident is a collapse of the 1961 repair ?

Soil mechanics is indeed a dark art - in my first yeat at uni. we had some of that included as all engineers all disciplines did common courses. Can't say I understood any more of it than I needed to pass an exam. Pretty weird stuff. Never looked at the subject again.
 

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Are you sure you aren't confusing cutting slips with embankment slips? There was a big cutting side remediation carried out nearer to Winchfield several years ago. The engineering implications of cutting slips and embankment slips are quite different. The latter removes the very foundations of the tracks. The former just sends debris onto the tracks. I've lived in Basingstoke for 23 years, regularly travelled the line, and don't recall a single embankment slip there
Definitely the embankment, virtually the same location too.
 

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I've just received an email from SWR detailing the planned service pattern from tomorrow:
Services from Monday 23 January (subject to works being completed)

Following the initial repairs we will operate the following significantly reduced service on the mainline through Hook:

• Two trains per hour between Weymouth and London Waterloo
• One train per hour between Portsmouth Harbour via Eastleigh and London Waterloo
• One train per hour between Salisbury and Exeter St Davids and London Waterloo, with additional peak services terminating at Basingstoke
• One stopping train service per hour between Basingstoke and London Waterloo, with no additional morning peak services
• A limited rail replacement bus service will operate alongside the train service between Basingstoke and Woking
•Trains travelling from London to Basingstoke will not call at Hook, due to the location of the landslip. A replacement minibus service will operate between Winchfield and Hook.
 

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I've just received an email from SWR detailing the planned service pattern from tomorrow:
As an SWR customer from Basingstoke, that sounds almost like a normal service! The biggest impact is on the local stoppers to Woking and London
 

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I do not know EXACTLY where either slip was/is but they look suspiciously similar just based on a couple of photos - one could wonder if the 2023 incident is a collapse of the 1961 repair ?
Not quite the same place, but in the same swamp!

The 1960 landslip happened on 27th December, and was found by ganger Stan Kimber early that morning. The slip was estimated at 10,000 tones, but it took three times that to rebuilt the embankment. The Aldershot News had several reports (though being a local paper may not be 100% accurate).

The site of that slip was a culverted stream near Totters Lane, which must be the one 200 m to the east of the Whitewater (itself at the field boundary just to the east of the current slip). Constructing a solid foundation in a swamp required piling and a laying bed of ballast. The repair was predicted to take two weeks, but took seven (reopening on 13th February 1961). From 19th January a temporary timetable was introduced recognising the 10 minute delays over the section where one line had been slewed across.

The reports repeat the usual comments about how often the Winchfield-Hook part of the line has suffered slips. There was a recent one on the south side of the line at exactly the same point - that sounds like the one on 16th February 1951. That was at a stream (a "racing torrent" at the time), and about a mile and a half from Winchfield. But while "part of the embankment had dropped some 25 feet", into the boggy ground, that happened on Friday morning and was fixed by Monday evening!

One "colour" story was about a landslip that demolished a bungalow with its occupants in bed inside - at an unspecified date, unfortunately. There is also this, about landslips in cuttings: "This has now been largely overcome by the planting of trees and the afforested banks hold much better".
 

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I've just received an email from SWR detailing the planned service pattern from tomorrow:

A mini bus between Winchfield and Hook could be interesting, there's about 250 college age children within Hook (there's 4 forms per year within Hook) with a significant number heading between there and Farnborough for college.

That's before you look at the private school kids.

I suspect that there'll be a lot of doubling back via Basingstoke of the times work.
 

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From Paul Clifton hopefully starting tomorrow

Paul Clifton said:
Hook landslip: here’s what @SW_Help *hopes* to run from tomorrow, subject to today’s big work being completed. It’s 5 trains an hour past the landslip on 2 of the 4 lines. Some way from full service (especially on West of England) but a huge step up from the last 8 days.


I am surprised though that the Exeter / Salisbury services aren't being run to Reading (for GWR to Paddington) to keep the Main Line free for full length Class 444 / 450 services.
 

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1. Will the temporary slewed line have any temporary intermediate signals, or will it be one long block section?
2. Will Brookwood Station be undisturbed 4 track, with the slew starting/finishing west of the junction for Aldershot?
 

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1. Will the temporary slewed line have any temporary intermediate signals, or will it be one long block section?
2. Will Brookwood Station be undisturbed 4 track, with the slew starting/finishing west of the junction for Aldershot?
I think it will be a normal four track railway from Waterloo to Winchfield and two track from there to Basingstoke. See map below.

 

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Drivers will use BE387 signal with a temporary 50ESR with the signal on the DS being bagged up.

In regards to Reading, there’s several complications because the platform workings would have to be adjusted, plus crew diagrams. It’s probably workable with a bit of time but not ready for tomorrow.
 

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No problem with my SWR advances from Weymouth to Waterloo going via Castle Cary/Westbury this weekend but they didn't ever go through any barriers, the 16:32 train from Paddington to Plymouth was a full and standing 5 car 802 though and our tickets were never checked as there was no chance of the guard getting through. Standing for most of the journey to Westbury wasn't fun! Tickets checked on the train back to Weymouth and no issues (though I did mention the landslide just in case which was probably not necessary).
 

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Think that only lasted 1 day last week, disappointing as trains got more and more busy as the week went by
I wonder if the longer trains they could have filled to Reading couldn’t be platformed there? Back in 2017, when they ran to Reading during the Waterloo partial closure, I think SW used longer 159 combinations into P13/14, I assume they’re needed for Crossrail now?
 

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I wonder if the longer trains they could have filled to Reading couldn’t be platformed there? Back in 2017, when they ran to Reading during the Waterloo partial closure, I think SW used longer 159 combinations into P13/14, I assume they’re needed for Crossrail now?
Was my assumption. Unfortunate but sure with some advance planning it could be done…and staff on the Western have the ability to simulate this, it’s precisely what their TMS (Traffic Management System) is for
 

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1. Will the temporary slewed line have any temporary intermediate signals, or will it be one long block section?
2. Will Brookwood Station be undisturbed 4 track, with the slew starting/finishing west of the junction for Aldershot?
The slew starts a little before the 387 AWS magnet I think, and it slews back on approach to the signal. Effectively, there are no changes to the DF signalling, line capacity is therefore only affected by the imposition of the TSR.
 

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Think that only lasted 1 day last week, disappointing as trains got more and more busy as the week went by
It lasted 1 day, but 2/3 of them were cancelled. Upthread was stated to be staffing issues, but late running may have been a factor too.
 
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