WMR Class 196 Build and Implementation

[Liam L]

All 26 196s are now delivered and yes not all accepted into service and with only 4 or 5 (assuming all 4 cars) needed for Shrewsbury line there shouldn't be a shortage!

170s still sometimes appear still, but obviously not as much

 

[Wyrleybart]

Has anything been officially said by WMR about the six 2 car 196s which are said to be covering the EWR diagrams from 2025 ? Are DfT assuming there will be timetable cuts to free them as I cannotthink of another solution.

 

[GWVillager]

Has anything been officially said by WMR about the six 2 car 196s which are said to be covering the EWR diagrams from 2025 ? Are DfT assuming there will be timetable cuts to free them as I cannotthink of another solution.

As eluded to by the previous post, not many 196s are actually needed by WMR on their current diagrams, so presumably they can manage with giving away the six.

 

[D365]

So will all services be 196s by then? That’s an extremely fast introduction if so

Not compared to the original timescales, although there are extenuating circumstances in this instance...

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As eluded to by the previous post, not many 196s are actually needed by WMR on their current diagrams, so presumably they can manage with giving away the six.

And presumably they will be bedded in reliability-wise.

 

[newtownmgr]

With the 196’s also working Leamington - Nuneaton & Camp Hill Services. Plus the Hereford/Shrewsbury routes it’s looking likely that they won’t go to East West. Assuming the Shrewsbury/Herefordshire will be 4 car that’s 10 out of 14 diagramed. With the knuckle & Camp Hill Shuttle Services that will be a minimum 4 Sets. Rumours of additional Worcester services via Bromsgrove according to the west mids route strategy, potentially connected with the camp hill services, that would be at a min 2/3 sets. That’s 17 sets out of 26. Allowing for maintenance/spares not much scope for east west to have any.
With the potential delays to that route they may have sourced other stock by then.

 

[QSK19]

Not shortage, it's if there is a fault and it's the nearest thing they can grab onto.

Well, WMR will need to wean themselves off the 170s being a safety net sharpish - they won’t be around forever. EMR have been messed around enough over the last couple of years and are in need of them; so WMR need to be self-reliant when it comes to solving 196 faults as services bed in and ramp up.

 

[Liam L]

Well, WMR will need to wean themselves off the 170s being a safety net sharpish - they won’t be around forever. EMR have been messed around enough over the last couple of years and are in need of them; so WMR need to be self-reliant when it comes to solving 196 faults as services bed in and ramp up.

The only reason the small numbers are still here was cover the remaining diagrams which still booked with 170s along with the number of spares.

 

[GWVillager]

Just to confirm, is everything still on track for tomorrow’s 0625 WOS-BHM (and subsequent services of course)?

 

[Liam L]

Just to confirm, is everything still on track for tomorrow’s 0625 WOS-BHM (and subsequent services of course)?

allocations come out at 2am so won't know till then unless someone else can say otherwise today.

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Sources from Facebook group (Class 196 & 730 group

They won't be starting this week...

 

[Jacob Porrett]

From the 196/730 page on Facebook today.

 

[GWVillager]

allocations come out at 2am so won't know till then unless someone else can say otherwise today.

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Sources from Facebook group (Class 196 & 730 group

They won't be starting this week...

Oh great... what are we looking at then?

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Oh great... what are we looking at then?

A revised date has yet to be announced.

 

[GWVillager]

A revised date has yet to be announced.

Sorry, your post with that screenshot hadn't appeared for me.

 

[Birmingham]

Does any kind soul plan to check the allocations in the wee hours and post them up here for us just in case, please?

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Sorry, your post with that screenshot hadn't appeared for me.

No 196 on the Hereford route tomorrow is basically what it said.

 

[Techniquest]

That's a shame, but hopefully not much longer to wait Happy to wait a bit longer for 196s on my local route!

 

[william.martin]

196007 entered service yesterday.

 

[GWVillager]

Do we have any further news on the Worcester introduction, and is the coming Monday too optimistic?

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Do we have any further news on the Worcester introduction, and is the coming Monday too optimistic?

Last I heard was a revised date to be announced.

 

[Liam L]

Do we have any further news on the Worcester introduction, and is the coming Monday too optimistic?

It’s Easter Monday (bank holiday) so I highly doubt there will be an introduction Monday.

 

[newtownmgr]

Do we have any further news on the Worcester introduction, and is the coming Monday too optimistic?

Yes it is!

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Yes it is!

Presumably you mean yes to its too optimistic rather than it is happening on Monday.

 

[newtownmgr]

Presumably you mean yes to its too optimistic rather than it is happening on Monday.

Yes,too optimistic. Hopefully happening before the end of the month. Network Rail delaying things at present due to work not done which should have been. Not sure of details.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Yes,too optimistic. Hopefully happening before the end of the month. Network Rail delaying things at present due to work not done which should have been. Not sure of details.

How odd. Good to know it will be soon though. Thanks for the update.

 

[Techniquest]

Probably a good thing for me if it's the end of April, I should have some more funds to play with and thus more likely to go after the 196s more locally. Still not had a 2-car 196 yet, I'm sure that will soon change!

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Probably a good thing for me if it's the end of April, I should have some more funds to play with and thus more likely to go after the 196s more locally. Still not had a 2-car 196 yet, I'm sure that will soon change!

I've seen the 2 car 196s but I've never been on one yet. For haulage I've had 196101, 110, 107, 109 and 104 so far.

 

[Techniquest]

A nice little list there. I scored 108 on Wednesday, only from Smethwick to New Street but it was a nice bonus to my day I've not got a list of the ones I've had to hand, I want to say that's my 6th one but it may have been 5th.

 

[NewClee153]

A nice little list there. I scored 108 on Wednesday, only from Smethwick to New Street but it was a nice bonus to my day I've not got a list of the ones I've had to hand, I want to say that's my 6th one but it may have been 5th.

Smethwick to New Street is my usual 196 commute

I haven’t been on a /0 once. Though I had 102 the other day, and the ride quality was noticeably terrible, worse than any other 196s

 

[Techniquest]

Smethwick to New Street is my usual 196 commute

I haven’t been on a /0 once. Though I had 102 the other day, and the ride quality was noticeably terrible, worse than any other 196s

I diverted myself specially on a Hereford to Birmingham journey the other day, to go via Kidderminster just to try my luck on the 196s. I had 50-odd minutes to fill in Birmingham, so it just made sense.

Yikes to the bad ride though, I've not yet had a bad 'un but I've probably just tempted fate!

 

[Halish Railway]

Yikes to the bad ride though, I've not yet had a bad 'un but I've probably just tempted fate!

A trademark of bad build quality is inconsistent build quality.

I've taken just two rides on a 196, both of which incidentally being 196101 sat in the middle of the carriage; The first time was on the first day and it rode OK, but the second time seemed to be quite poor, although I was likely sat in different carriages.