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Wires Down between Carlisle & Lockerbie

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mralexn

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From NRE

Overhead wire problems are causing disruption between Lockerbie and Carstairs.
Because of this, journeys between Carlisle and Edinburgh / Glasgow Central may be delayed by up to 2 hours. There is no current estimate for when a normal service will resume.


Thursday 11 October
It is not known how this will affect trains from the start of service on Thursday 11 October but further information will be published as soon as possible.

Anyone got any more information about what has happened (:
 
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last nights Glasgow service (1930 ex Euston) appears to be stuck at Beattock still, and the up sleeper looks likely to get stuck too!
 

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last nights Glasgow service (1930 ex Euston) appears to be stuck at Beattock still, and the up sleeper looks likely to get stuck too!

Is there no Diversion route it could take? Provided they put a 67 on the front or something?
And I am guessing the sleepers will hit Inverness very late indeed tomorrow then :P
 

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1M11 has passed the area just over an hour late, weather a 67 is used as we speak (if the portion from Edinburgh pulled a 67) then it should be ok, it left an hour late from Carstairs.

the last Glasgow due at 0006 still hasn't arrived, though an extra Carlisle to Glasgow left at 2344, due in at 0154. I wonder if this is an extra to help out the stuck 1S06? who knows!
 

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I dare say they won't find it quite as funny as you appear to do.

What exactly makes you think I find it funny?
The reason I say that is because I am currently In Inverness and plan on filming it arrive in the morning, Or dare I say afternoon ;) (I'll get my coat on the way out) :P
 

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What exactly makes you think I find it funny?
The reason I say that is because I am currently In Inverness and plan on filming it arrive in the morning, Or dare I say afternoon ;) (I'll get my coat on the way out) :P

Perhaps the 'laughter' smilie gave it away?
 

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just saw the sleeper heading for Edinburgh pass Haymarket complete with Glasgow portion still attatched, then saw both portions head seperatley for Glasgow both 67 hauled
 

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Heard it on Radio 2 this morning that TPE and VT are not running between Carlisle and Glasgow/Edinburgh due to overhead wire problems
 

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Well the initial stuck Class 390 terminated at Lockerbie instead.

The Highlands sleeper Inverness part is only just making its way up, a lot of stops cancelled mind (for obvious reasons) but the up beds is rather lucky in having only arrived 15 mins late.
The Inverness one is due there about 1200 by the looks of it.

0B00's running I guess then!
 

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just saw the sleeper heading for Edinburgh pass Haymarket complete with Glasgow portion still attatched, then saw both portions head seperatley for Glasgow both 67 hauled
Is it not far more likely that what you saw was the Highland sleeper, not the Lowland one? The evidence on this thread would seem to point that way.
 

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The NRE website is just about useless; no info at all on the replacement buses serving Lockerbie. Tpex has nothing to say, neither does Virgin. Both just link back to the information black hole of the NR site. Brilliant.

Slight correction; going to live departures for Carlisle gives one bus service departing for EDB, but the timings shown are the scheduled train ones, so a work of fiction for RRB's.
 
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Can understand Edinburgh not been able to get a service from Carlisle. But would have thought there is the option for Glasgow services to be diverted via the GSW.
 

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anybody any idea when it will be sorted? The bus replacements are only taking pax with reservations according to staff at EDB. I dont have one and before I divert via the GSW I just wondered if anyone here has any info NRE dont have.
 

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Can understand Edinburgh not been able to get a service from Carlisle. But would have thought there is the option for Glasgow services to be diverted via the GSW.

Depends if there are sufficient drivers with route knowledge and locomotives (for dragging 390s).
 

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The line was due to reopen at 11.00 to diesel trains only according to VT on Twitter, but that hasnt yet happened. I suspect the first train from Carlisle will be the 12.11 TPE to Edinburgh.
 

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Depends if there are sufficient drivers with route knowledge and locomotives (for dragging 390s).

Not to mention route capacity - there are some long signal sections south of Kilmarnock and regular traffic to deal with.

They did some single line working last night on WCML - but there were issues which worked against that - (and made a difficult job even harder)
 

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Lines now open with TPE running a normal service, Virgin are running an hourly shuttle between Carlisle and Glasgow calling at Lockerbie and Motherwell, probably using Voyagers as it looks as if only diesel trains are able to run along the line as OHLE work probably hasnt finished.
 

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Does anyone know when the OHLE will be up and running again in Lockerbie, and / or when services will run again as normal?
 

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If it's diesel-only, what will the sleepers do? It's been said on here before that a 67 doesn't have a high enough ETH index for the whole rake.

ECML diversion tonight? Or double-headed 67 to Carlisle?
 

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Diesel hauled, 1M16 apparently dragged by a Class 66 from Carstairs to Beattock. Other services are now running through the area though
 

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I'm going to start to sound like a broken record with this (:p), but it's bugging me now -- when a 66 drags the sleeper with a dead 90, where does the ETS come from?
 

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Lines now open with TPE running a normal service, Virgin are running an hourly shuttle between Carlisle and Glasgow calling at Lockerbie and Motherwell, probably using Voyagers as it looks as if only diesel trains are able to run along the line as OHLE work probably hasnt finished.

The last train of the day from Glasgow, the 2010 to Crewe was certainly diesel. Two Voyager units and what a shambles that turned out to be!

Platform indicators showing both booked stops to Crewe and aso information that said service would terminate at Carlisle for onward connections. Same indicators were saying to board the front 2 cars of the rear train - why? The front unit was locked out of use and we left GLC on time, full of kilted and "happy" football or rugby supporters en route to a big game in Cardiff.

Such was the noise being generated by the crowd that announcements could not be heard at all.

On arrival at Motherwell, the train sat for 25 minutes whilst everyone was moved to the front unit and the local police spoke with the fans about their conduct. The reasons given for moving everyone were "safety issues", which reading between the lines, appeared to be that the female train manager feared for her safety as she was on her own in the back unit with only the driver in the front unit for company, no catering staff or mobile cleaners.

Arrival at Carstairs produced another 10 minutes whilst the train manager dealt with pax off the Tpex terminator from Edinburgh which connects into the Crewe train. No station staff at Carstairs so you can imagine the confusion with pax trying to get into the rear unit which by then was locked out. To make matters worse some of those joining should have been on an earlier VT service form Edinburgh to Birmingham which had been cancelled.

Allowing for running under caution, we lost further time and I alighted at Lockerbie a shade over 45 minutes late, what happened at/after Carlisle I don't know.

So in summary, both EDB and GLC station staff managed to clear their respective stations of potentially troublesome pax which was great for them.
Seemingly no thought was given or plans made as to how those same pax were going to be managed when on the train, no evidence of VT management at GLC to sort any potential problems, just the normal despatch staff doing there best with little or no information. No VT staff going through the train to assist people - not all of whom were sport fans -with onward connections from Carlisle etc.etc.

During the whole disruption there has been scant information available from VT, Tpex or NR as to how pax are to make their journeys to/from the intermediate stations. Most of the advice online appears to have centred around using EC services from EDB rather than VT from GLC and ticket inter availablity.

Somehow I doubt that Mr Branson will be making any statement on the handling of the whole OHL incident on "his" railway!!
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I'm going to start to sound like a broken record with this (:p), but it's bugging me now -- when a 66 drags the sleeper with a dead 90, where does the ETS come from?

Might get a better response if you start a new thread?
 
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