So they purposefully timetable slow running Thameslink on the fasts that make inter city trains late sometimes... Odd
It depends on how long your connecting journey will be, if it was a longish journey I wouldn't take that risk, then again it depends from which platforms you arrived and departed at. Did you take the tube from EUS to STP? I can't imagine you ran down the road.
Running is the only way to make a Euston to St Pancras connection in six minutes. No way it could be done on the underground (or running on the Euston Road for that matter). Totally doable via Doric Way / Dangoor Walk.
Regardless the reason , my statement is factual. It's timetabled to put Thameslink trains on the fast and make intercity and in fact connect services late.
Unfortunately a third and fourth point is that southbound Peterborough to Horsham services (in the normal timetable) use the slow line through Purley in the both peaks and stop at Norwood Junction in the morning peak.
Oops I forgot, that's what you get for only being an off-peak passenger for a few years. The morning peak was moved between Horsham and Three Bridges starters to get the Southern Gatwick starters through to Redhill to add the carriages to the Reigate trains. Timetables are often far to complex.
Even with the "old" Thameslink (using 319s), trains arriving at Herne Hill were regularly full and standing during the peaks. You just took whatever train you could get on
You read that wrong and I don't doubt that more Thameslink trains are late. However I stand by what I said. The timetable isn't meant to hold up the intercity and connect. But it does , very regularly. Granted after Luton and Bedford the time is often made up . But passengers wanting airport parkway and Luton are quite often a couple of minutes down and both EMR type services the other way. It flips from dragging them to time to putting them late , only usually a couple of minutes , but late.
Of course. I know that. But those occasions are quite more often than rare. I also don't argue that it's due to the amount of trains etc. But the fact is , there are too many trains out there and they are often late. Before August , I commuted to West Hampstead Thameslink every day. My Thameslink was around two minutes late as almost every day. I'm not apportioning any blame .
Folding bike.
Your post #62 is quite clearly implying that EMR trains were being delayed unnecessarily, see here: "So they purposefully timetable slow running Thameslink on the fasts that make inter city trains late sometimes... Odd". Even though @Bald Rick explained what is really happening, your next post #66 persists claiming that here is some deliberate action to make TL trains delay EMR services. Anyone who has travelled a few times on the TL fasts know that the waits for EMR trains to get into TL territory do cause delays to TL services, - which in turn can cause further delays to GN line TL trains waiting in the Canal Tunnel. A frequent problem is late TL trains being held at Harpenden waiting for access to the fasts to West Hampstead. The impact then is the TL train stopping at St Albans and sometimes West Hampstead causing the following EMR train to hit yellow lights down to the Belsize Tunnel, - no doubt you would see that as TL timetabled just to slow the EMR services down. If on the other hand the signaller decides to route the TL trains on the slows, stopping at St Albans, it either gets tangled up with a Sutton loop service at Radlett before it can cross over to the fasts, also messing up the sequence entering the core, or the metro service gets messed up a lot south of the river.
I understood in the first place. I said that Thameslink trains hold up intercity trains , they do. You said it's timetabled that way. I didn't ever say that they do it to make intercity ones late . My exact wording was that they make them late. I said that they purposefully put them on the fasts , but I never said to make them late . There is a difference to they do it to make them late and they do it that makes them late. Less Thameslink is my answer , still very empty . Commuting is almost never coming back , certainly not as before.
It's not that good. My original point was that they don't care much about inter city services. Am9 while rebuffing me says and I quote the 9xxx have a higher priority than 1xxx , so in short agreeing with my original statement that the inter city service has a lower priority ie cared about less than Thameslink. I didn't say there wasn't a reason. I didn't say that anything could be done better . So my original point is correct , Thameslink have a higher priority than the inter city.
You know the TL services have a 9xxx Headcode to ensure they are routed via the Core... Its an assumption to assume EMR services have a lower priority.
A different poster said about them head codes. And the Thameslink by the way go over at harpenden quite often , so a bit further than radlett.
you did, you said:
I use Thameslink trains often. In fact upto August , six or seven days a week.
And of course an EMR class 1 running at linespeed will creep ahead of its slot and catch up with an on time GTR giving the impression the EMR service is being delayed, albeit this is a little less noticeable currently, given the thinned out service overall.
It’s a pity the MML crossovers are so much slower (40mph) than linespeed as that must eat into max theoretical line capacity.
Perhaps in these post covid times that idea can be put back into the oven and “browned off”.
