Why have 350110, 350111 and 350115 been denamed?

[Charjabugz]

I checked on the wikipedia page for the Class 350s today and saw that 350110's name (Project 110) isnt mentioned and 350111 (Apollo) and 350115 (Archimedes) have been denamed. Can anyone tell me why this is?

 

[DarloRich]

350110's name (Project 110)

Project 110 completed about 110 years ago so is meaningless.

350111 (Apollo) and 350115 (Archimedes) have been denamed.

were they official names and if so for what purpose?

 

[Charjabugz]

Project 110 completed about 110 years ago so is meaningless.


were they official names and if so for what purpose?

Yes, they were official names and what do you mean by "what purpose"

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Project 110 completed about 110 years ago so is meaningless.


were they official names and if so for what purpose?

Forgot to add this to the previous message, what do you mean by "Project 110 completed about 110 years ago"? Project 110 was when they upgraded the top speed of the Class 350 to 110mph in 2013. (I think 2013)

 

[DarloRich]

Yes, they were official names and what do you mean by "what purpose"

Sorry - I meant was it for a competition or to commemorate something specific or some kind of project or something else? They seems 2 odd names for WCML commuter units!

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Forgot to add this to the previous message, what do you mean by "Project 110 completed about 110 years ago"? Project 110 was when they upgraded the top speed of the Class 350 to 110mph in 2013.

i was being silly. i simply meant that P110 is so long ago that it means nothing to most people now, if it ever did

 

[chrisjo]

I checked on the wikipedia page ....

Not always very reliable though. GWR class 802 wikipedia name table being one example.

 

[Charjabugz]

Sorry - I meant was it for a competition or to commemorate something specific or some kind of project or something else? They seems 2 odd names for WCML commuter units!

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i was being silly. i simply meant that P110 is so long ago that it means nothing to most people now, if it ever did

It does not say why the two units were named and nor does it give a reference to anything i can read.

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Not always very reliable though. GWR class 802 wikipedia name table being one example.

I trust wikipedia, some might say a bit too much

 

[GatwickDepress]

'Apollo' and 'Archimedes' were named by Silverlink back in 2005 and denamed by London Midland shortly after taking over the franchise. Nameplates were yellow with 'West Coast Desiro' on them and presumably ended up in a depot office somewhere?

Sorry - I meant was it for a competition or to commemorate something specific or some kind of project or something else? They seems 2 odd names for WCML commuter units!

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i was being silly. i simply meant that P110 is so long ago that it means nothing to most people now, if it ever did

Believe they were chosen by the London & North Western Railway Society and were names carried by LNWR locomotives.

 

[DarloRich]

Believe they were chosen by the London & North Western Railway Society and were names carried by LNWR locomotives.

Thanks - now makes sense

 

[diligentdave]

It is common to remove decals and names from units when they are due to be handed back to the owning company.

 

[D365]

It is common to remove decals and names from units when they are due to be handed back to the owning company.

I'm not aware that any 350/1s are to be handed back to Angel Trains.

 

[RealTrains07]

I'm not aware that any 350/1s are to be handed back to Angel Trains.

No but also it wouldn't be surprising if the names were lost when refurbished by the subsequent operator.

Such as project 110 livery from part of 350110 which i assume was removed after going for refurbishment during the LNR programme

 

[tfw756rider]

No but also it wouldn't be surprising if the names were lost when refurbished by the subsequent operator.

Such as project 110 livery from part of 350110 which i assume was removed after going for refurbishment during the LNR programme

There isn't planned to be a subsequent operator of the 350/1s for the foreseeable future. The 350/1s are staying as part of London Northwestern Railway (LNR's) electric fleet, alongside the 350/3s, 350/4s and 730/2s (and maybe some of the 350/2s, from what an LNR staff user has said).

 

[43096]

There isn't planned to be a subsequent operator of the 350/1s for the foreseeable future. The 350/1s are staying as part of London Northwestern Railway (LNR's) electric fleet, alongside the 350/3s, 350/4s and 730/2s (and maybe some of the 350/2s, from what an LNR staff user has said).

No idea why the combined West Mids/LNR operation would need to keep any 350/2s - they're losing 78 x 323 cars and 148 x 350/2 cars but gaining 144 730/0 and 180 730/2 vehicles. That's a capacity increase of nearly 100 vehicles.

 

[RealTrains07]

There isn't planned to be a subsequent operator of the 350/1s for the foreseeable future. The 350/1s are staying as part of London Northwestern Railway (LNR's) electric fleet, alongside the 350/3s, 350/4s and 730/2s (and maybe some of the 350/2s, from what an LNR staff user has said).

That wasnt what i was saying but i can see where you got confused.

I was referring to the transition from Silverlink to London Midland branding and then from LM to LNR branding

The refurbishments by LM and then LNR are probably why the names on those 350s were lost.

I wasn't referring to future beyond LNR

 

[Defiance149]

I checked on the wikipedia page for the Class 350s today and saw that 350110's name (Project 110) isnt mentioned and 350111 (Apollo) and 350115 (Archimedes) have been denamed. Can anyone tell me why this is?

The names on 350111 and 350115 were just vinyls, not metal. Removed in 2008 upon London Midland rebranding. Its very rare for a vinyl name to survive a livery change unsurprisingly.

 

[Flange Squeal]

It does not say why the two units were named and nor does it give a reference to anything i can read.

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I trust wikipedia, some might say a bit too much

Wikipedia is not always going to be reliable. For example, the Class 450 page shows a number of named units. It correctly mentions one that was named during the South West Trains era that was de-named during the South Western Railway (SWR) refurbishment/relivery process, but still lists two that also lost their names during that same process.

In fact, only one SWT naming was carried over to SWR, which was 450127 ‘Dave Gunson’ - presumably because it had only received its name the month before SWR took over, and because it was in memory of a Guard recently killed in a hit and run. Yet that unit doesn’t even get mentioned on the Wikipedia page, despite it mentioning some later SWR era namings.