Wheelchair passenger not allowed to board

[ralphchadkirk]

So why could then two-ramp systm not be used at Guide Bridge for my journey?

For the nth time, the platform at Guide Bridge is too narrow to use the longer type of ramp needed by that class of train.
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I feel sorry for all other disabled passengers on the railways, who will (hopefully not though) be associated with this joker's actions.

 

[tonyaran]

No because as has already been stated here and on the DS forum, the long ramp is too long for the platform at Guide Bridge on the side coming in from Manchester. The bottom of the ramp reaches too close a wall for you to safely exit the ramp at the bottom.

And is the ramp reaching the end of the wall my fault, the guard's or the train company's?

 

[ukrob]

And is the ramp reaching the end of the wall my fault, the guard's or the train company's?

None of the above.

It is Network Rails responsibility (the platforms being narrow). It is nobodies 'fault'.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

so why could then two-ramp systm not be used at guide bridge for my journey?

the platform is too narrow

 

[ralphchadkirk]

And is the ramp reaching the end of the wall my fault, the guard's or the train company's?

It's the fault of the Victorians who built i who obviously didn't plan far enough in advance. Write a letter to complain to them.

 

[NRWUser]

And is the ramp reaching the end of the wall my fault, the guard's or the train company's?

It's not your fault, no one is suggesting it is. What we're trying to find out is if you knew this, but decided to make a stand for your rights.

 

[Zoidberg]

I am beginning to wonder if the outbound (from Mancs) platform at Guide Bridge is too narrow to accommodate the two stage ramp.

I wonder where that came from.

 

[GB]

There is not alot on TV tonight so at least this is providing a little entertainment!

 

[Hobbit Feet]

So if you use them as you say so then it can be possible to disembark at Guide Bridge? If yes, then why did he refuse to carry me? There you go, you have totally ruined any chances of an argument the guard could have made.

Because they are 2m long and the platform is too narrow for you to get down safely, there's a possibility you'd end up jammed against the fence....

How many times has this been said to you!


Edit - That'll teach me to go and make a cup of tea... I now see that this has been comprehensively answered. However it gave me chance to show off my new knowledge.

 

[jimrbrobinson]

And is the ramp reaching the end of the wall my fault, the guard's or the train company's?

Nobody's fault, unless you want to blame God for the fact that you need a ramp in the first place.

The station was built before wheelchair access was recognised as an issue.
The train was built before wheelchair access was recognised as an issue.
The train requires a ramp which is not compatible with the station.

This is unfortunate at the present time but it is the government's fault as they are the ones with the power to provide better, more accessible and wheelchair-friendly stock.

 

[tonyaran]

None of the above.

It is Network Rails responsibility (the platforms being narrow). It is nobodies 'fault'.

So a wheelchair user can not use the 20:36 train from to Piccadily to Guide Bridge? Where is that written so I can make sure not to travel around that time?

 

[Zoidberg]

I am also beginning to wonder how many visits Guide Bridge station has had over the last week from people who just wanted to have a look.

 

[EM2]

And is the ramp reaching the end of the wall my fault, the guard's or the train company's?

It's the fault of the Sheffield, Ashton-Under-Lyne and Manchester Railway who built Guide Bridge in 1841.
If you're askimng whose fault it is that the combination of a two-part ramp and a Class 142 at the eastbound platform at Guide bridge means you are too close to the wall, then that's the Government for agreeing a 2020 deadline for trains to be DDA-compliant.
It is absolutley NOT the fault of Northern Rail or the guard on the service you wanted to board.

 

[Anvil1984]

This is the best entertainment I've had in years I've been outed and given new parents I'm sure some of that is slander but hey

 

[Lampshade]

Guide Bridge is 169 years old, I'm not sure it was built with Pacer ramps in mind.

 

[bnm]

I wonder if all the people that posted on various forums will have the grace to acknowledge they were wrong, or will they say it's a cover-up, a wheelchair user would never behave in such a manner.

Let's hope so. I posted elsewhere in haste, but soon saw there was more to the story and backtracked. What I didn't do was get upset with criticism of my opinion and delete all my posts.....

 

[ukrob]

So a wheelchair user can not use the 20:36 train from to Piccadily to Guide Bridge? Where is that written so I can make sure not to travel around that time?

Depends what kind of train is going to work that train each day. If you were to follow procedure and ring up in advance....

 

[GB]

Guide Bridge is 169 years old, I'm not sure it was built with Pacer ramps in mind.

Best we alert the media and claim discrimination!

 

[tonyaran]

Nobody's fault, unless you want to blame God for the fact that you need a ramp in the first place..

Aah. See that is exactly the discrimination that I am trying to fight. You did not wander once if my disability was because of medical negligence or by accident. You immediately had the thought and image in your mind that it is god-made. Pure discrimination of the highest.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

You should always let the relevant TOC know that you intend to travel, the platform at GUI is too narrow for a 142 ramp, no I dont want to go to Gay Prode with Anvil. God this is stupid now.

 

[ukrob]

Aah. See that is exactly the discrimination that I am trying to fight. You did not wander once if my disability was because of medical negligence or by accident. You immediately had the tough and image in your mind that it is god-made. Pure discrimination of the highest.

It is you suggesting that people are gay. Can we add hypocrite to your list of qualities?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Aah. See that is exactly the discrimination that I am trying to fight. You did not wander once if my disability was because of medical negligence or by accident. You immediately had the tough and image in your mind that it is god-made. Pure discrimination of the highest.

Calling me and Anvil gay is also discrimination against real gays, which neither me nor anvil are

 

[devon_metro]

And is the ramp reaching the end of the wall my fault, the guard's or the train company's?

Blame whoever you like, there was a train 12 minutes later that was able to convey you so why did you refuse to take this and kick up a massive fuss?

(apologies if this has been answered however I don't have the time to spend trawling through 100s of posts of a storm in a teacup)

 

[MidnightFlyer]

It is you suggesting that people are gay. Can we add hypocrite to your list of qualities?

Homophobe too for the overall mood of his post

 

[jimrbrobinson]

Aah. See that is exactly the discrimination that I am trying to fight. You did not wander once if my disability was because of medical negligence or by accident. You immediately had the tough and image in your mind that it is god-made. Pure discrimination of the highest.

That is not discrimination, unless you are discriminating against my religious beliefs.

 

[tonyaran]

Depends what kind of train is going to work that train each day. If you were to follow procedure and ring up in advance....

Follow procedure and ring up in advance? Why should a wheelchair user ring up in advance. Next time you want to go and use the train, and everytime after that, could you ring up please 24 hours before?

 

[boing_uk]

Calling me and Anvil gay is also discrimination against real gays, which neither me nor anvil are

Dammit, thats dashed my hopes

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Follow procedure and ring up in advance? Why should a wheelchair user ring up in advance. Next time you want to go and use the train, and everytime after that, could you ring up please 24 hours before?

Because you are in a wheelchair, its a lot more complex than a able bodied person. one day it could be a 142 (so by law you cant travel), a 156 (you can). See?

 

[EM2]

So a wheelchair user can not use the 20:36 train from to Piccadily to Guide Bridge? Where is that written so I can make sure not to travel around that time?

On page 23 of Northern's DPPP shows Guide Bridge marked with a red circle. The key shows that a red circle means 'stations like this have steps to some orall of the platforms, or there is a large step between platform and train on some or all platforms and mobility impaired people may experience
difficulty.There may not be staff to help.

 

[tonyaran]

It is you suggesting that people are gay. Can we add hypocrite to your list of qualities?

Cant answer and feeling ashamed therefore topic changing.