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whats next for the knackers yard?

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metrocammel

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to be serious I can see the 58's going

Erm... if you mean in service on the British Isles, you're about 4 years too late ;) But yes, there are some demic 58s lying around, which will very likely get scrapped in the not so distant future, although the same can be said for some 60s- there are a few of them that would cost a pretty penny to repair. There are probably more 58s in 'working order' than there are 60s thanks to the recent TGV Est work- so I can quite imagine in the short term demic 60s going before the 58s. 'Green Machine' 60081 springs to mind as being absolutely knackered.
 
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Yep, so much so that they've removed all the plates from her.

Never got a photo of her, and I can only assume I've seen her as I wrote down frantically 60081 in a notebook once. Must be well over 3 years since she blew on the North Wales Coast.
 

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I'd go for 317s or 455s as more likely than Pacers or Sprinters, mainly because they're worked alot harder when you consider how busy the lines they operate on are. The 317s will need to come off GN when that's linked up to Thameslink in any case as dual voltage will be needed.

I don't agree.

Yes they are older than Pacers/Sprinters and are worked pretty hard, but they are far from finished. It's very harsh to give the PEP-derived classes a let-off (in spite of being older and worked at least as hard) only to have the axe fall where you suggest. It wouldn't be that hard to give them the full life-extension treatment and bring them more up-to-date.

Besides, the GN won't become an all dual-voltage route so there will still be a place for them there. After all, even though the Cl365's are capable of dual-voltage operation they are not cleared for use on the Thameslink routes and never could be because they lack an emergency door in the front.

I think the next class to be shunted off to that great big siding in the sky will be a surprise to us all. I have half an idea that it might be the Cl92's, especially as they never saw the use they were designed for. Another possible is the Cl90. If IEP finally finishes them off from passenger work they could become a very small class indeed. Will FL continue with them on Intermodals or will they decide to standardise their fleet with more Cl66's...? We shall see.

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Another possible is the Cl90. If IEP finally finishes them off from passenger work they could become a very small class indeed. Will FL continue with them on Intermodals or will they decide to standardise their fleet with more Cl66's...? We shall see.

O L Leigh

I think you may be right with that, they could potentially become a very small class indeed, although I reckon there will still be some for quite a while, for example the caledonian sleeper I think will be using 90s for some time yet.
 

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I think you may be right with that, they could potentially become a very small class indeed, although I reckon there will still be some for quite a while, for example the caledonian sleeper I think will be using 90s for some time yet.
There were rumourings going around the Mid Norfolk that EWS traction may not be found on the sleepers for much longer, although no-one had any ideas on what specifically may be taking over the electric sections.

90050 plus a couple of others at CE must be nearing the stage where they are so stripped the next logical step is to the scrapyard.
 

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Then again, they may be safe if the Cl92's get the chop. Skoda's could be moved across to cover while any workings onto the 3rd rail network could be covered with diesels.

However, I have to say that I don't think the Cl92's will go for scrap. Export maybe, but not scrap.

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I think that some of the class 165/166 dmus should be deployed to the cardiff valley lines like penarth to rhymney where they should be able to get clearance , i think the only line that will be a problem is the treherbert line which is tight in some parts, that is unless the valley lines are electrified or some parts like the cardiff bay and penarth lines are converted to light rail which i can say that the welsh assembly are planning.

they did come up with a quote of £300 million to electrify the entire valley lines althought this may be reduced if the penarth and cardiff bay lines become light rail.

maybe the class 319s that are displaced from thameslink could be sent to cardiff if electrifcation does go ahead
 

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Can see the 57/0s with Freightliner going - small sub-class, no ETH, lower power than 66s and sitting on 40 year old chassis and using largely second hand parts. And potentially a bleak period ahead for rail freight in general.
 

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Erm... if you mean in service on the British Isles, you're about 4 years too late ;) But yes, there are some demic 58s lying around, which will very likely get scrapped in the not so distant future, although the same can be said for some 60s- there are a few of them that would cost a pretty penny to repair. There are probably more 58s in 'working order' than there are 60s thanks to the recent TGV Est work- so I can quite imagine in the short term demic 60s going before the 58s. 'Green Machine' 60081 springs to mind as being absolutely knackered.

I think that the engine blew up...
Huge oil marks down the side of the loco...

I don't think that DB Schenker will keep the 90's for much longer...
 

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Since I provoked a number of comments, probably worth qualifying some of what I said :D

With the 20s, 37s and 86s - they're over 40 years old now. Spares will become more and more of a problem and the running costs get higher over time. 66s would seem the obvious successors as there doesn't seem to be anything else being introduced.

Basic economics works against small fleets of older vehicles - true of both road and rail - as they tend to become less reliable as they get older.

With the Networker DMUs - these are technically non standard, when compared with Pacers / Sprinters. They're wider, as other posters have pointed out which may prevent their use elsewhere without a load of infrastructure changes. Additionally, because they're non-standard, you have all the familiarity, spares and maintenance issues which go with non-standard small fleets. At least Chiltern know what they're doing with them, which is why they are the most likely home.

Either way these will only become available if London - Reading / Oxford / Newbury were electrified - and that's not likely in the next couple of years.

With regard to the PEP derived EMUs:

314s replacement seems to be happening in the next couple of years with new deliveries to FSR.
313s - London Overground is replacing their's this year - whether all will be taken on by FCC remains to be seen. Also FCC likely to keep theirs a bit longer.
507 / 508s - Merseyrail are likely to replace theirs in the next couple of years and it's unlikely any of the southern operators will want them hence likely to be scrapped.
315s - depends on the strategy for NXEA I guess.

317s - Unlikely to be suitable for FCC GN when linked to Thameslink, so unless they get moved onto NXEA, it's difficult to see where these would go as all other areas with 25kv will have newer units.

455s - I'd assume both SWT and Southern will be wanting to replace these with Desiros (SWT) and Electrostars (Southern) to standardise their fleets. Again once these operators finish with them, there's nowhere for them to go.

This is why I reckoned the PEP EMUs will be heading for scrap before Pacers / Sprinters and why the Networker DMUs also have an uncertain future.
 

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Can see the 57/0s with Freightliner going - small sub-class, no ETH, lower power than 66s and sitting on 40 year old chassis and using largely second hand parts. And potentially a bleak period ahead for rail freight in general.

You're behind the times a bit!
All but one of the 57/0s were withdrawn by FL over a year ago!! Only 57001 is still on their books, but I believe it's stored at Basford Hall. DRS now have most, with Advenza having two.
 
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