whats next for the knackers yard?

[daccer]

It seems that DBS will have finished their disposal programme by the end of the year if the current rate of movements is anything to go by.

Considering how lean the network and the fleets now are I was wondering what might be next for the cutters torches.

For example is Shoeburyness now empty and what of the other MOD sites - are they still full and desptaching stock for cutting. Also what previously preserved locos/stock are actually now facing a bleak future.

Every time I have visited the UK and travelled on the network I have always been amazed at how empty the yards and sidings are compred to the 80's when there was stock a plenty. Are there any little enclaves of abandoned stock lying around out there or in todays neat world are they despatched in next to no time rather than clutter up the system.

If the stock levels are so much lower are there any plans to get rid of some of the major yards - I know Tinsley has gone as did Whitemoor and also what about the old EWS depots of which many are now closed?

 

[Sir_Clagalot]

Whitemoor has reopened under GBRF/Network Rail. Lets hope the 66s are next to go to the scrapyards!!

 

[The_Rail_WAy]

Whilst we see the decline of locomtives in use on British metals such as the ever-popular class 37 whether or not loco's will got to the knackers or not I'm not sure, as we have seen many loco's and rolling stock exported abroad, whilst some move onto preservation lines or are purchased by enthusiast groups.

 

[First class]

I think 507s and 508s aren't too far off being withdrawn and scrapped...

 

[90019]

314s are very likely to be scrapped in 2010 (to be replaced with cascaded 320s)

 

[GB]

Whitemoor has reopened under GBRF/Network Rail. Lets hope the 66s are next to go to the scrapyards!!

Correct, and once "phase 2" comes into effect there should be alot more trafffic headed that way.

 

[37401]

Any of the following will please me

Class 350
Class 180
Class 390
Class 220
Class 221
Class 66
Class 67

basicly anything exept more 37`s and 20`s and some of those rather nice sparkies they have on the Great Eastern

 

[whoshotjimmi]

Any of the following will please me

Class 350
Class 180
Class 390
Class 220
Class 221
Class 66
Class 67

basicly anything exept more 37`s and 20`s and some of those rather nice sparkies they have on the Great Eastern

Typical enthusiast view this. The classes you mention above have moved the railways forward in terms of modernity, maintenance, cost effectiveness etc. A class 66 is a damn sight more useful than the 37's you love so much. So what if it doesn't have as much charachter? It was not built for you, rather the cost conscious world in which we live. It is ridiculous to suggest scrapping any of the classes you mention. Sir Clagalot is also guilty - the Class 66 is easily the most successful locomotive that has ever been used in Britain and long will it continue to be so.

Back in the real world, I would have thought HST's will be dispensed with in the next 10 years or so. Not only are they now quite long in the tooth, they are starting to cost an awful lot of money extending their lives and fall foul of disabilty regulations. I think that remaining 56's will slowly start to be replaced, along with remaining 47's and 37's (obviously excluding those earmarked for preservation). There is not a lot of positivity surrounding the class 60 at the moment, so I would not be surprised at all to see some form of withdrawal, though their out and out loud hauling capability will probably see them saved from the ironworks.

 

[me123]

Any of the following will please me

They wouldn't please me. They'd be a waste of money, as none of them are anywhere near retirement age. Unlike the 20s and 37s which are really old locos. There's a reason they're not used as much now.

 

[tbtc]

When I clicked on this thread I assumed it was about what stock will be cascaded to Northern Rail next (since it's the "Knackers Yard" of TOCs...)

 

[whoshotjimmi]

When I clicked on this thread I assumed it was about what stock will be cascaded to Northern Rail next (since it's the "Knackers Yard" of TOCs...)

Makes a good point. However, Northern have done wonders with most of their stock.

 

[The_Rail_WAy]

When I clicked on this thread I assumed it was about what stock will be cascaded to Northern Rail next (since it's the "Knackers Yard" of TOCs...)

Would have probably agreed with that statement prior to the addition of the class 180 Adelante units - although being unpopular amongst some and noted for their unreliability.

In my opinion Northern Rail are blessed with some relitevely modern EMU stock as well including the 333's.

 

[Pumbaa]

Would have probably agreed with that statement prior to the addition of the class 180 Adelante units - although being unpopular amongst some and noted for their unreliability.

Interestingly though the reliability with Northern has been pretty good, and relatively amazing compared to their time at fGW. Crofton have the 180s running well now, although the failures are the same across the board.

 

[The_Rail_WAy]

Interestingly though the reliability with Northern has been pretty good, and relatively amazing compared to their time at fGW. Crofton have the 180s running well now, although the failures are the same across the board.

Totally agree with you there.

 

[WillPS]

Northern must have a pretty intensive maintenance regime, because with their frankly knackered fleet they don't half have a punctual service.

 

[The_Rail_WAy]

Northern must have a pretty intensive maintenance regime, because with their frankly knackered fleet they don't half have a punctual service.

Agreed they have alot of old stock 142's, 150's etc but - they're not that punctual!!

 

[whoshotjimmi]

Agreed they have alot of old stock 142's, 150's etc but - they're not that punctual!!

The figures are generally always above 90%. And it is mainly the south Manchester area that lets the side down. All I can say is that, in the last 6 months, I have been delayed by more than 5 minutes on Northern once. And even that was only 7 minutes (though I did miss my connection as a result).

 

[jamesontheroad]

NI Railways will be scrapping their nine class 450 and the last four class 80 thumpers in the next few years; they signed a deal with CAF earlier this week for the new C4K fleet. The C4Ks will effectively be a follow-on from the C3Ks already in service; will mean a very clean fleet of two very similar classes.

You'd better hurry on over to NI in the next year or two if you fancy hearing that delightful sound in service:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFCfom5s31o

 

[Techniquest]

Not played that link but if it's anything like the one I was given on the WNXX forum a few weeks ago then I would seriously recommend a trip to Northern Ireland for those units. Nice proper units them, wish I could get over there myself!

 

[scrapy]

Northern must have a pretty intensive maintenance regime, because with their frankly knackered fleet they don't half have a punctual service.

Usually involves patching up holes with sellotape and newspaper

 

[Techniquest]

They'd best get asking Canton for a few hundred rolls of their infamous 'Canton tape' then...

 

[GNERman]

to be serious I can see the 58's going
Pacers are not far off from 172's
After them 150's, 153's and 155's should go...

 

[A0]

Well objectively the first things to go will be any 'heritage' locos left on the national network - 20s, 37s, 47s, 86s etc Mainly because their work will have been taken over by newer, more reliable, more cost effective traction e.g. 66s.

After that the 'PEP' derived EMUs - 313/314/315/507/508 must be nearing refurbishment time, at which point a decision will be needed as to their future.

After that the options are:

Pacers
Early Sprinters
Early Networker DMUs
or early 80s EMUs - 317/0s 455s.

I'd go for 317s or 455s as more likely than Pacers or Sprinters, mainly because they're worked alot harder when you consider how busy the lines they operate on are. The 317s will need to come off GN when that's linked up to Thameslink in any case as dual voltage will be needed.

The reason for including the first of the Networker DMUs is if the GWML is electrified they'll be displaced from there. The only possible home would be Chiltern - but they may not want them.

 

[whoshotjimmi]

The reason for including the first of the Networker DMUs is if the GWML is electrified they'll be displaced from there. The only possible home would be Chiltern - but they may not want them.

Is there ABSOLUTELY nowhere else these could be deployed? Surely there must be some appropriate part of network somewhere else?

What if (and I'm being hypothetical here) the networkers replaced the 168 on Chiltern and the 168's were redepolyed?

 

[Stonesourscotty]

I've always thought the networkers would be great on Blackpool-York/Manchester replacing Adelante's/158's?

I think the Networkers will move north eventually and live a happy 2nd life with Northern or EMT.

 

[whoshotjimmi]

I've always thought the networkers would be great on Blackpool-York/Manchester replacing Adelante's/158's?

I think the Networkers will move north eventually and live a happy 2nd life with Northern or EMT.

Are the networkers able to run on these lines though? It would be a real shame if they did end up in the 'knackers yard' as they are super units.

 

[yorkie]

Well objectively the first things to go will be any 'heritage' locos left on the national network - 20s, 37s, 47s, 86s etc Mainly because their work will have been taken over by newer, more reliable, more cost effective traction e.g. 66s.

How is a pair of 66s on a nuclear flask train versus a pair of 20s or 37s 'cost effective'? and how is it cost effective to upgrade all lines that can't cope with 66s to accept them?

Also how is a class 66 more cost effective than a class 86?

 

[WillPS]

What is so different about these Networkers?

 

[jopsuk]

What is so different about these Networkers?

Networkers are pretty wide- or at least, the diesel ones are, being specifically a bit wider to limit their use outside of their intended "home" area.
The Networkers were one one the last major BR train design projects- the intetention was to provide the entire NSE area with a more or less uniform stock, with tailored varients to different routes. The third rail versions run on Southeastern, the OHL (actually dual voltage, but with the shoe gear missing) on FCC GN and the diesel on FGW Thames Valley and Chiltern trains. They're the direct anncestor of the Turbo/Electrostar- as can be seen with the Chiltern class 168, the first batch of which look like Networkers, the later batch like Turbostars.

If the plan had gone fully through, Crossrail and Thamelink would have had Networkers- and even local services on the CTRL!

 

[BlythPower]

Also, whilst classes 165, 166 and 168 have the same physical couplings as their former 'Regional Railways' counterparts (classes 156, 158, 170 and the like) I believe the electrical connections are wired up in a different order. Another NSE ploy to hold onto their units and prevent RR getting hold of them.