What does this signal mean?

[craftsmaster]

A road warning sign showing speed reduction.

 

[blue sabre]

Just on a Metro from Pelaw now, when at the station I noticed the restriction has now moved closer to the Pelaw side of things, but still after leamside. Also, I'd assume it is to do with resignalling work as the signal heads immediately after Pelaw (towards Heworth) have been replaced with LED clusters.

 

[Railsigns]

Just on a Metro from Pelaw now, when at the station I noticed the restriction has now moved closer to the Pelaw side of things, but still after leamside. Also, I'd assume it is to do with resignalling work as the signal heads immediately after Pelaw (towards Heworth) have been replaced with LED clusters.

Not resignalling work as such; just a trial of these new 'lightweight' LED signals:

The reason for the TSR is 'condition of track'.

 

[Zoe]

The reason for the TSR is 'condition of track'.

I thought the speed of the TSR was only supposed to be displayed on the warning and commencent board, not the R board.

 

[Railsigns]

I thought the speed of the TSR was only supposed to be displayed on the warning and commencent board, not the R board.

This is a recent change to the rules.

 

[Zoe]

This is a recent change to the rules.

Always seems strange though that you don't get an R within a TSR only between warning and commencement boards. A driver could easily stop at a station and forget they are within a TSR.

 

[blue sabre]

Always seems strange though that you don't get an R within a TSR only between warning and commencement boards. A driver could easily stop at a station and forget they are within a TSR.

There was an 'R' board at the end of the platform at Heworth.

 

[ainsworth74]

Not resignalling work as such; just a trial of these new 'lightweight' LED signals

Blimey those signals look less 'lightweight' and more flimsy to me!

 

[Zoe]

There was an 'R' board at the end of the platform at Heworth.

I expect the warning board was in rear of the platform though.

 

[blue sabre]

Not resignalling work as such; just a trial of these new 'lightweight' LED signals:

The reason for the TSR is 'condition of track'.

Haven't they had this type of signal in the other direction for a while now? Also these are the same types of signal ethey use in Sunderland station?
'condition of track' so that means engineering work imminent then?

 

[Railsigns]

Haven't they had this type of signal in the other direction for a while now? Also these are the same types of signal ethey use in Sunderland station?

No, these are the first of their kind. Notice that they are completely flat - there are no hoods above the 'lenses'. Also, the junction indicator displays a solid bar of white light as opposed to five separate lights.

 

[blue sabre]

No, these are the first of their kind. Notice that they are completely flat - there are no hoods above the 'lenses'. Also, the junction indicator displays a solid bar of white light as opposed to five separate lights.

Ah, so similar to fibre optics they trialled at Crewe that I read about somewhere? Possibly your website now I think of it.

 

[Ploughman]

Always seems strange though that you don't get an R within a TSR only between warning and commencement boards. A driver could easily stop at a station and forget they are within a TSR.

There has always been a requirement for an R board to be displayed at a station if within a TSR. Not just between the warning and Commencement boards.
Also varying speeds have been displayed if they are differential ie between freight and passenger. Normally freight at a lower speed than passenger.

 

[Railsigns]

There has always been a requirement for an R board to be displayed at a station if within a TSR. Not just between the warning and Commencement boards.

That is incorrect. The "R" board is only to be provided if the platform is between the warning board and the speed indicator, and then only if the latter is more than 300 metres ahead of the platform. An "R" board should never be placed within a TSR.

 

[GB]

An "R" board should never be placed within a TSR

Whys that then? Seems like a logical and ligitimate idea? I notice in the rule book however it doesn't specifically forbid this.

 

[Railsigns]

Whys that then? Seems like a logical and ligitimate idea? I notice in the rule book however it doesn't specifically forbid this.

If the rules aren't applied consistently, and boards are provided in situations not specified in the rules just because it "seemed like a good idea", you are setting a trap for a driver who might take the absence of an "R" board as reassurance that he is not currently within an TSR when in fact he may be.

 

[GB]

So whats to stop the rules from being updated to include "R" boards within a TSR?

 

[Railsigns]

So whats to stop the rules from being updated to include "R" boards within a TSR?

Nothing at all, if RSSB are prepared to consider it. But until such time as the rules are changed, TSR signage should always be installed in accordance with the current rules.

 

[142094]

Not resignalling work as such; just a trial of these new 'lightweight' LED signals:

The reason for the TSR is 'condition of track'.

So does that mean something has been running on part of the Leamside line? The line second from left is a link to the Leamside line and hasn't been used in ages.

PS those signals look terrible.

 

[blue sabre]

So does that mean something has been running on part of the Leamside line? The line second from left is a link to the Leamside line and hasn't been used in ages.

PS those signals look terrible.

That line is used by the occasional freight train and some grand central services to allow a passenger train behind to overtake.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

And a roadsign being used for the LOS!

 

[Railsigns]

And a roadsign being used for the LOS!

Normal practice on the Tyne & Wear Metro.

 

[blue sabre]

And a roadsign being used for the LOS!

That is the Tyne & Wear Metro sign.

Beaten to it...

 

[142094]

That line is used by the occasional freight train and some grand central services to allow a passenger train behind to overtake.

Second from left? I know the one on the far right is used by GC ECS trains and Jarrow oils/Tyne Dock coals but not the one on the left.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Normal practice on the Tyne & Wear Metro.

Ah, I see. Ta.

 

[blue sabre]

Second from left? I know the one on the far right is used by GC ECS trains and Jarrow oils/Tyne Dock coals but not the one on the left.

Yeah, the one directly next to the metro line. I saw a GC HST in there a month or so ago, and last week two DRS 37's pulled in there.

 

[142094]

Any idea what direction they were travelling in? Didn't realise there were points futher down the line, always thought it was for the Leamside line only.

 

[blue sabre]

Any idea what direction they were travelling in? Didn't realise there were points futher down the line, always thought it was for the Leamside line only.

DRS was towards Heworth - driver got out to call the signaller. Not too and IIRC GC HST left in the direction of Sunderland, not sure which way it came in from.

I do't think it regularly sees traffic - the rails are too rusty - in fact these are the only time I can recall seeing the line in use, and I've lived in the area for 26 years.

 

[Railsigns]

Didn't realise there were points futher down the line, always thought it was for the Leamside line only.

Yes, it's a loop and can be accessed by trains coming from Sunderland direction.

 

[142094]

I do't think it regularly sees traffic - the rails are too rusty - in fact these are the only time I can recall seeing the line in use, and I've lived in the area for 26 years.

Same here, every time I've been past the rails looked like they hadn't been used in donkeys years.

Yes, it's a loop and can be accessed by trains coming from Sunderland direction.

Should really find some track plans to keep to hand. Thanks for the info.