Liam L
Established Member
It will integrate together. Swift go cards currently work on Buses and Trams and will eventually work on the trains tooAm I missing the relevance of that with the Midland Metro?
It will integrate together. Swift go cards currently work on Buses and Trams and will eventually work on the trains tooAm I missing the relevance of that with the Midland Metro?
Are Swift cards similar to Oyster?It will integrate together. Swift go cards currently work on Buses and Trams and will eventually work on the trains too
The Swift go cards are. The normal swift cards are direct debit ones where you pay a monthly direct debit and you get access to mode (or modes) of transport you pay for.Are Swift cards similar to Oyster?
I am talking specifically about the Midland Metro, the PVALs unless these things have dramatically changed in the past few weeks the PVALs haven't been installed on the Metro.It will integrate together. Swift go cards currently work on Buses and Trams and will eventually work on the trains too
It's all stupidly confusing. Just give us contactless card ticket gates and tap-on/off terminals couple with daily caps like any sensible modern city offers.The Swift go cards are. The normal swift cards are direct debit ones where you pay a monthly direct debit and you get access to mode (or modes) of transport you pay for.
From the West Midlands Metro website it appears that they are currently transitioning to pay before boarding, which is planned to be fully in place by late September.Does seem like they are gearing up for pay before board (no date confirmed).
I think basically a conductor stays on the same tram for its entire journey whereas revenue protection staff move around between trams (and tram stops). It remains to be seen whether they do away with conductors as soon as pay before boarding has been fully implemented, though.A lot of new staff being trained and the old ones who didn’t want to move over from ‘conductor’ to ‘revenue protection’ (not sure of the difference really) have now gone.
Thank youThe Swift go cards are. The normal swift cards are direct debit ones where you pay a monthly direct debit and you get access to mode (or modes) of transport you pay for.
Indeed. That would make multimodal transport incredibly easyIt's all stupidly confusing. Just give us contactless card ticket gates and tap-on/off terminals couple with daily caps like any sensible modern city offers.
We always years behind everyone else. It's unbelievable that a region our size still hasn't had this.It's all stupidly confusing. Just give us contactless card ticket gates and tap-on/off terminals couple with daily caps like any sensible modern city offers.
All the new staff I’ve encountered are for now staying on the same tram. Although have noticed a slight increase of trams with nobody on (used to be extremely rare) now I’d say it’s one in every 6 or 7).From the West Midlands Metro website it appears that they are currently transitioning to pay before boarding, which is planned to be fully in place by late September.
I think basically a conductor stays on the same tram for its entire journey whereas revenue protection staff move around between trams (and tram stops). It remains to be seen whether they do away with conductors as soon as pay before boarding has been fully implemented, though.
Most (if not all) midland metro stations couldn’t have ticket gates.It's all stupidly confusing. Just give us contactless card ticket gates and tap-on/off terminals couple with daily caps like any sensible modern city offers.
Most (if not all) midland metro stations couldn’t have ticket gates.
www.westmidlandsmetro.com
From 13 September, conductors will be withdrawn from West Midlands Metro services, and customers will need to buy their ticket before they board the tram.
To help everyone get used to the change, Metro colleagues will be out across the network over the coming weeks, offering support and guidance as customers adjust to the new ticketing arrangements.
Hi Jon,
Thank you for your email.
We are meeting with the West Midlands Combined Authority on Thursday to discuss making Swift Go work in conjunction with our ticket machines. More information specifically about Swift Go will be released later this week.
Kind regards,
Libby
On the tram
You must tap on and tap off every time you travel by tram. This records where your journey starts and ends so we can calculate the correct fare and apply the right cap.
Before you board the tram:
Important: Always use the ticket machine on the platform you are travelling from. Do not cross to the opposite platform to tap on, even if there is a queue.
- Go to the ticket machine on the platform you are travelling from.
- Insert your Swift card into the Swift card reader.
- Select ‘Tap on’ on the screen
- Wait until you see the success message, before you board the tram.
- Remove your Swift card from the Swift card reader.
After you get off the tram:
Important: Always tap off on the platform where your journey ends. Do not cross to the opposite platform to tap off, even if there is a queue.
- Go to the ticket machine on the platform where you get off the tram.
- Insert your Swift card into the Swift card reader on the ticket machine.
- Select ‘Tap off’ on the screen.
- Wait until you see the success message.
- Remove your Swift card from the Swift card reader.
If you don't do this, you will be charged a maximum journey charge or be liable to pay a £100 Penalty Fare for travelling without a valid ticket.
Keep your Swift card with you throughout your journey, as Revenue Officers may ask to check it.
If you’re using pay-as-you-go Swift card, you’ll need to buy the ticket from the conductor on the tram. You may be asked to show your card at any time if a conductor wants to check it.
For a post-pay system that looks laborious. Instructions within a smartcard scheme to use ticket vending machines in a validation capacity - well I never!For Swift Go you have to "tap" in and out using the ticket machines. You must use the machine on the same platform. Not sure how this works at island patforms.
Swift Go T&Cs
That link 404s and the quoted paragraph is shown here (within an expandable box) instead. It may even be out of date and TfWM still haven't made clear how to use it.For Swift PAYG (pay as you go) you still buy from the conductor on the tram!
Swift PAYG T&Cs
It’s an utter failure of both planning and technology. One for a letter to my local councillor and also Mayor Richard - how long have TfL been doing payg capped fares now? Crazy.For a post-pay system that looks laborious. Instructions within a smartcard scheme to use ticket vending machines in a validation capacity - well I never!
That link 404s and the quoted paragraph is shown here (within an expandable box) instead. It may even be out of date and TfWM still haven't made clear how to use it.
BTW unless I'm misreading the TfWM pages it sounds like Swift PAYG is just another means of buying paper bus/tram tickets rather than the equivalent of a bus/tram-only Oyster card.
Potentially November 1st, but nothing official yet: https://www.britishtramsonline.co.uk/news/?p=64552Is there any update on an opening date for the extension to Dudley? Thanks.
They did promise, not that you'd know it if you checked their website today. I've submitted a FoI request to the WMM operator to ascertain why those readers haven't been installed yet.What is the hold up on installing those readers, didn't they promise to do this earlier this year?
Has anyone seen any of these working recently ?
22, 26, 27, 32
i haven't seen any of them this year, so either I'm very unlucky or they are hidden somewhere....
There are readers they’re just covered up by a blue plastic and have never been used. At some stations anywayThey did promise, not that you'd know it if you checked their website today. I've submitted a FoI request to the WMM operator to ascertain why those readers haven't been installed yet.
They maps with the greyed out Wednesbury to Dudley line in have been up at stations and on trams for months now.My dad said it looks like a lot of work is being done in Flood Street, in Dudley. He said it looks like it’s ongoing with some of the track down. If he's right, it is unlikely that it will be running by Nov 1st. Or is it more advanced. I have noted the 'greyed out' maps of the Wednesbury - Merry Hill branch on the maps on the trams themselves, so thought it can;'t be far off from opening now.
Readers were installed at some Zone 1 stops (I noticed St Paul's, Bull Street, Corporation Street and Grand Central) overnight on Friday into Saturday, though they were still bagged up. Possibly trying to get them in ahead of the Conservative Party Conference.There are readers they’re just covered up by a blue plastic and have never been used. At some stations anyway
Do you know what’s wrong with them?
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22,26 and 32 are currently out of action.
No, just that they are reported undergoing attention.Do you know what’s wrong with them?
I don’t think I’ve ever seen 22 or 32 in action.