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michael769

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Today we see the beginnings of high pressure building from the south. The buildup is not fast enough to prevent a ban of rain from crossing over the north of the country but will help to break the rain band up leaving it to be light and patchy in nature.

In the short term we can expect to see high pressure to the South and low to the North with a westerly flow in between. The creates the common summer pattern of settled and dry weather to the south and east with less settled damp and cloudy conditions in the north.

Things will begin to change though midweek as from Wednesday the high pressure will migrate Northwards as it builds further effectively shutting off both the jetstream and the westerly atlantic flow, bringing dry settled conditions with lots of sunshine. Temperatures will depend on the precise positioning of the high and the direction of air that it pulls in, but the most likely outcome is a warm one with it feeling very warm during the day in the sunshine, but with days shortening and clear skys we can expect temperatures to tumble away at night, giving the characteristically huge variations in day and night temperatures that tend to accompany settled weather in Spring and Autumn.

The settled weather is likely to persist through until at least the weekend - after that the computer models are offering us two very different scenarios. The American GFS model predicts a rebuilding of the jetstream as the high drifts off into Scandinavia opening the door to unsettled but very warm conditions, while the European ECMWF model keeps the high right over us bringing the prospect of a sustained period of dry and sunny weather albiet with the increasing likelihood of overnight mist and fog.
 
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Set to be a cooler than average end to the month as the jet stream shifting South. Temperatures in parts of Scotland may struggle to reach double figures by the end of this week.
 

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Well I'm setting off tomorrow to do the Cleveland Way walk (Helmsley-Filey via Saltburn). Hoping for as dry a time as possible...
 

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Winter is looming for the UK according to the models. We appear to be bringing some cold air down from the arctic late next week bringing sharp frost and potentially snow for some.
 

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Winter is looming for the UK according to the models. We appear to be bringing some cold air down from the arctic late next week bringing sharp frost and potentially snow for some.

Interesting, i did see in the BBC news report they are expecting a very cold dry winter again. With some rural areas remaining in permanent frost for weeks on end. As happened in the Yorkshire Dales in December 2010/January 2011. I spent a lot of time out there during this time and even with clear blue skies the ground in the valleys remained absolutely solid.
 

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Anyone claiming to forecast the weather more than 14 days ahead is talking claptrap!

We struggle to forecast anything beyond 5 days let alone the next 5 months!
 

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Anyone claiming to forecast the weather more than 14 days ahead is talking claptrap!

We struggle to forecast anything beyond 5 days let alone the next 5 months!

Depends on whether you are talking about general trends (it will be colder in January than in August) or specifics (it will snow on Christmas Day in London). The first is a dead cert, the second would be 100:1 shot.
 

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The second would be 100:1 shot

That's not true and you know it ;) I would suggest 20-1 is more realistic. The last couple of years have missed by mere days and possibly even hours, so I think it could happen this year if those trends continue. Not that I would bet on it though.
 

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Depends on whether you are talking about general trends (it will be colder in January than in August) or specifics (it will snow on Christmas Day in London). The first is a dead cert, the second would be 100:1 shot.

You are confusing climate with weather there!
 

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That's not true and you know it ;) I would suggest 20-1 is more realistic. The last couple of years have missed by mere days and possibly even hours, so I think it could happen this year if those trends continue. Not that I would bet on it though.

You're probably right (that's what happens when one starts pulling numbers out of thin air.

You are confusing climate with weather there!

Touché! I wouldn't be the first and will certainly not be the last. It's an important distinction to make, since one is generalised, the other is specific. A lot of climate change sceptics make cynical comments about weather forecasts, which is a complete red herring. I was trying to highlight that, and did a little too well. :oops:
 

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Tonight's forecast on the BBC Countryfile indicated that on Friday most of the country north of Chester and Norwich will be rather white......
 

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Tonight's forecast on the BBC Countryfile indicated that on Friday most of the country north of Chester and Norwich will be rather white......

Yes, it looked that way, but I think this should be taken with a pinch of salt, the five day forecast does not suggest this and I don't think the temperatures will have dropped low enough to bring snow to lower ground. However, there is certainly a chance of snow to lower levels at the weekend.
 

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Friday is at the edge of the reliable forecasting window so as one might expect it is still changing (I'll come back to that).

Today has pretty much set the conditions for the bulk of the week. Temperatures will be a little high for the time of year, with no wind. While it will be mainly dry it will be quite damp with overnight mists and fogs and dull and overcast days. Towards midweek folks in Northern Scotland may see brighter conditions.

Thursday will be transition day, after a mild start temperatures will fall during the day staring from the north, leading in a change to very chilly conditions for the time of year (5-8 deg blow the 1981-2009 averages). Daytime temperatures will be in mid single figures and where cloud clears overnight we will see overnight air frosts. Early suggestions in some computer models of a significant cold plunge with somevsnow risk now look unfounded, the more likely senario is a brief cold spell with now limited to high ground in the East of Scotland. Into next week we can expect the Atlantic to regin control of the weather leading to more typical mid-autumn weather of spells of wind and rain.

As always forecasting beyond 5 days tests the limits of even the experts so anything beyond Friday should be considered as being nothing more as a rough guide as to how conditions may deviate from the norm for the time of year.
 

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I've no idea why weather forecasters bother. They hardly ever get it right! Never mind 5 day forecasts testing their limits, 5 hours seems out of range for the main part.
 

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The record of the Met Office's 24 hour forecasts are excellent these it is rare for it to be out by very much.

Even the 5 dayer is pretty good these days - it is comparible to where the 24 hour forecasts were a decade ago.
 

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You must be joking. There have been a whole host of occasions this year where even on the breakfast forecast, the Met Office have been quoting glorious sunshine, only for us to have a cloudy day. I'm sorry, but your post there does not match up with the reality that I've experienced this year, not by a long way.
 

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The latest forecasts seem to show the system slightly further east meaning most of the white stuff will now come down in the North Sea.
 

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I was recently reading about the medieval period in Britain called the Little Ice Age, that itself had peaks and troughs, as part of research on an unrelated subject. Quite fascinating to read of the Frost Fairs that were held on the River Thames.

Do current meteorological studies reveal when such a period is likely to occur again?
 

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I was recently reading about the medieval period in Britain called the Little Ice Age, that itself had peaks and troughs, as part of research on an unrelated subject. Quite fascinating to read of the Frost Fairs that were held on the River Thames.

Do current meteorological studies reveal when such a period is likely to occur again?

There is a lot of speculation on why this happened and a number of hypothesis to explain it. Unfortunately until one (or more) of the hypothesis are confirmed and the mechanism that caused it is understood it is not possible to construct a model to predict when such a phenomena might again occur.
 

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As the shorter than anticipated arctic plunge begins to arrive in the UK, here is what we can expect tomorrow.

Tonight: A cold one for much of the North with a widespread frost expected here. Further South the milder conditions will remain. A few wintry showers expected, but this should be confined to the North East of Scotland.

Friday: A cold day for much of the country as this cold air extends further South. I would anticipate a chance of snow showers anywhere North of the Midlands, with the greatest chance the further North and East you are. However no significant accumulations to lower levels are expected. Will feel very cold, as the Northeasterly wind really bites the UK, many in the North East and Scotland can expect temperatures to feel no more than 0C.
 

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As the shorter than anticipated arctic plunge begins to arrive in the UK, here is what we can expect tomorrow.

Tonight: A cold one for much of the North with a widespread frost expected here. Further South the milder conditions will remain. A few wintry showers expected, but this should be confined to the North East of Scotland.

Friday: A cold day for much of the country as this cold air extends further South. I would anticipate a chance of snow showers anywhere North of the Midlands, with the greatest chance the further North and East you are. However no significant accumulations to lower levels are expected. Will feel very cold, as the Northeasterly wind really bites the UK, many in the North East and Scotland can expect temperatures to feel no more than 0C.

Thanks for that - I'm driving up to Aberdeen Airport t'rrow to meet my brothers and spend the weekend in the Banffshire area (forget that modernist no-name Aberdeenshire):lol:
 

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I have just seen this thread and I am happy I did. I went to school of meteorology. In Croatia I have rank of meteorological technician (well, I hope I translated it good) so I am trained to make weather forecast. I did not make any forecast for now but I will to my best to make some in future.

P.S. In Croatia we are expecting snow on Sunday.
 

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The record of the Met Office's 24 hour forecasts are excellent these it is rare for it to be out by very much.

Even the 5 dayer is pretty good these days - it is comparible to where the 24 hour forecasts were a decade ago.

Case in point - this morning, Birmingham was supposed to be sunny per a forecast from the Met Office last night, and the forecast on the local TV news this morning. The reality is a wall of cloud, with no breaks in it at all.

 

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Case in point - this morning, Birmingham was supposed to be sunny per a forecast from the Met Office last night, and the forecast on the local TV news this morning. The reality is a wall of cloud, with no breaks in it at all.


Today's MET office forecast for Birmingham FC is "overcast" though admittedly they did predict broken cloud for the morning period. Tomorrow is forecast to be sunny. In my experience television forecasters do not always present an entirely accurate reflection of the official met office data, but no one was claiming 100% accuracy and a single data point does not prove anything really.

Locally we got a forecast of sunshine with a high wind chill in Edinburgh for today. Looking out the window I see plenty of sunshine, and the wind sure was cold when I was out at lunch. But again as a single data point it does not really prove anything.
 
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