Waterloo to be new Sleeper train hub?

[ValleyLines142]

You said there was a 24 hour service. I (and others) pointed out that wasn't true. Whether or not the sleepers could be arriving or departing at that point is immaterial to your statement.

I said a near 24-hour service, which would fit the fact of no train services between 0139 and 0453.

 

[swt_passenger]

... I believe this bridge is also how the Eurostar trains got from their depot they had at Old Oak Common into Waterloo, so if the same area was used for stabling the sleeper trains access I believe would not be too much of a problem, would it?

No, Eurostar ECS continued past the flyover on what is known as the Windsor Reversible line, through Queenstown Rd, and then via the Sheepcote Lane Curve onto the West London Line. The Eurostar depot was at North Pole, (which is on the south side of the GWML opposite Old Oak Common), but accessed directly off the WLL.

 

[ValleyLines142]

I suppose the Sleeper could work from Waterloo then, having found out from fellow members that it is possible with paths etc. Has it been tested at all on the WLL?

 

[34D]

I suppose the Sleeper could work from Waterloo then, having found out from fellow members that it is possible with paths etc. Has it been tested at all on the WLL?

Given that other mark 3 formations have been on the West London Line and the dive under between Willesden and Harlesden there is no specific 'testing' that would be needed.

You could always email Scotrail and offer your assistance to conduct the gauging and route-learning for Sudbury Junction-Waterloo, I'm sure they would be very grateful.

 

[yorkie]

I'm only having a conversation, not trying to rearrange the whole NR network!! Jeez.

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I suppose the Sleeper could work from Waterloo then, having found out from fellow members that it is possible with paths etc.

Sadly this thread has mostly consisted of you making bizarre, nonsensical and unsubstantiated 'reasons' why it cannot be done, which have certainly wound a few people up. You have eventually accepted that much of what you said was incorrect. But it took a very long time for you to accept that.

Has it been tested at all on the WLL?

I have absolutely no idea what you mean by that question.

 

[NSEFAN]

If the sleepers were to move to Waterloo, then Sheepcote Curve would finally see some regular use again; it looks very rusty when seen from the KPA-WWR parliamentary train!

Given a wide variety of freight frequently uses the WLL, I'd be suprised if a rake of MK3s would turn out to be an issue. If nobody has checked, however, then gauging would need to be done first, just to make sure.

There are currently signs for platform 20 at Waterloo, so presumably some work has been done previously to make the platform usable by normal SWT services? Since there are two trains for the Caledonian sleepers, and they arrive at roughly the same time, then this would possibly mean retiming them, or bringing two platforms back into usage at Waterloo.

 

[marks87]

There are currently signs for platform 20 at Waterloo, so presumably some work has been done previously to make the platform usable by normal SWT services? Since there are two trains for the Caledonian sleepers, and they arrive at roughly the same time, then this would possibly mean retiming them, or bringing two platforms back into usage at Waterloo.

There's about an hour between them, Lowland arriving at 06:43, Highland 07:47.

But the plan would involve opening the ex-international platforms as a dedicated sleeper terminal, so platforms wouldn't be an issue.

 

[VTPreston_Tez]

There's about an hour between them, Lowland arriving at 06:43, Highland 07:47.

But the plan would involve opening the ex-international platforms as a dedicated sleeper terminal, so platforms wouldn't be an issue.

I think we've now got proof that Waterloo would be a success.

Just wondering, can someone do a map to show where the train would GP (only thing I can think of is reverse at Winchester or with modifications at Clapham Junction and Wembley Central)

 

[Nym]

Where it would GP? What do you mean by GP?

 

[marks87]

Where it would GP? What do you mean by GP?

Oh good, I thought it was just me who didn't understand that!

 

[Tomnick]

Presume 'GP' can be replaced with 'go' - in which case the answer is off the WCML at West London Jn (no modifications needed), then via Kensington Olympia, Latchmere Jns, Sheepcote Lane Curve then onto the Windsor lines into Waterloo. No need to go via Clapham Junction, and Winchester is just bizarre!

 

[tbtc]

I think we've now got proof that Waterloo would be a success

We've established that trains could run to/from Waterloo via the West London Line within the current (heavily padded) timetable.

That's not to say that it'd be a "success" - passenger numbers may be higher or lower at Waterloo, I have no idea.

 

[ushawk]

Night Riviera - Along the Windsor lines to Reading - then it can carry on as normal, which ever way it gets routed

Scotrail Sleeper - Along Sheepcote Curve, along the WLL and then onto the WCML to its normal line of route

Simples...tch

 

[VTPreston_Tez]

Seems fair...yeah GP was a spelling mistake

 

[HSTEd]

And the Night Riviera can run with electric traction to Bristol.

Where do the two Night Riviera cross anyway?
Could you run to Bristol with the Up train fast enough to allow the same diesel to haul the down train?

 

[Nym]

You could yes...

 

[Eagle]

Night Riviera - Along the Windsor lines to Reading - then it can carry on as normal, which ever way it gets routed

Or, Sheepcote curve to the WLL, then round the back of North Pole to Acton Mainline (like XC Brighton services used to do).

 

[ValleyLines142]

If you have a problem with a post, report it, do not quote it (unless you are happy for the quote to be re-published in which case I will assume you have no objections to it).

Nothing to report. I'm happy to say it aloud as it is.

Sadly this thread has mostly consisted of you making bizarre, nonsensical and unsubstantiated 'reasons' why it cannot be done, which have certainly wound a few people up. You have eventually accepted that much of what you said was incorrect. But it took a very long time for you to accept that.

The same could be said about you, and your repetition of completely unnecessary objections to everything I post. As I have said in the past, I know I am wrong, and I have accepted that. I have never ONCE in this thread said I was right. People have corrected me, I accept. End of.

I have absolutely no idea what you mean by that question.

Well 34D knew what I meant so it's clear that you don't understand. It's quite simple to understand actually. I said: 'Has the Sleeper been tested on the route to Waterloo before, along the WLL?

 

[ainsworth74]

Where do the two Night Riviera cross anyway?

It's around Taunton the Up sleeper is booked to call at Taunton at around 01:59 whilst the Down sleeper is booked to call at 02:22.

 

[LE Greys]

It's around Taunton the Up sleeper is booked to call at Taunton at around 01:59 whilst the Down sleeper is booked to call at 02:22.

So Cogload Junction or thereabouts.

 

[HSTEd]

Pity, so a part electric hauled sleeper would still require two diesels (unless there is sufficient slack in the timetable for the diesel hauled section to manage both directions in one night).

Rather dampens the benefits of electric haulage in reducing the fleet size (although it does reduce the overheads at the London end as it could share a "spare" locomotive with the Scottish sleepers.

 

[Nym]

And increases the potential for 'standardised sets' so four can be available at Waterloo... Although if the sleepers actally gain some adversising then it could be the case that four will be required anyway...

(PS: This would mean a pool of ten class 92 locomotives, two per diagram and two spare, as the incoming locos would be trapped in Waterloo Int. untlil the sleeper left, they could kindly sod off to Wembley)

 

[Tomnick]

Surely the loco that's brought the first set of empties in can go to work the second departure once it's released, and so on...?

 

[Nym]

They could, but if we're offering long boarding times, something needs to be providing ETH to the coaches...

 

[Eagle]

They could, but if we're offering long boarding times, something needs to be providing ETH to the coaches...

Run an extension lead into the booking office? :P

 

[Nym]

Does waterloo still have modified BS1363 Walsall plugs kicking about, connect four or five in series and blow the whole DC network up to provide the ETH? hehe

 

[Tomnick]

They could, but if we're offering long boarding times, something needs to be providing ETH to the coaches...

What's wrong with the loco that's trapped on the stops providing ETH?

 

[Nym]

Nothing... Isn't what I was getting at...

 

[Tomnick]

I'm lost then - you've implied that it wouldn't be practical for the loco off the first set of empties to work the second train out (etc.) because you need something on the train well ahead of departure time to provide ETH, when you've already got a loco at the London end of the set - which can provide ETH until fairly close to departure time. What other ETH-related problem have I missed?

 

[LE Greys]

Is there still a live rail at International (energised or otherwise)? I was thinking something along the lines of a shoe and a transformer on one coach.