WAG Express discussion

[Greenback]

...and it's helped reduced perceptions of a North - South divide in Wales.

P.S. What's a ned!?

That was the main intention of the introduction of the WAG, so the Welsh government may consider it a huge success!

A 'ned' is a Scottish term for a 'chav' as far as I can make out.

 

[jones_bangor]

That was the main intention of the introduction of the WAG, so the Welsh government may consider it a huge success!

A 'ned' is a Scottish term for a 'chav' as far as I can make out.

I found one definition:

The definition of NED is "Non-Educated Delinquent"

 

[ainsworth74]

The definition of NED is "Non-Educated Delinquent"

Which is a fairly apt definition of a chav wouldn't you say? As greenback says ned is a Scottish word for chav I think more prevelent around Glasgow but I'm happy to be corrected on that point

 

[merlodlliw]

Training of Arriva Trains Wales drivers on Class 67 locomotives: at 11:20 on 10 January, blue-liveried 67 001 approaches Llandudno Junction (Peter Lloyd).

picture of it in this weeks http://www.nwrail.org.uk/nwnews.htm



That was the main intention of the introduction of the WAG, so the Welsh government may consider it a huge success! quote Greenback
As was the intro of WAGAIR, however only one A.M considers it a success.

 

[jones_bangor]

Training of Arriva Trains Wales drivers on Class 67 locomotives: at 11:20 on 10 January, blue-liveried 67 001 approaches Llandudno Junction (Peter Lloyd).

picture of it in this weeks http://www.nwrail.org.uk/nwnews.htm

Really excellent pictures as always...the website is always a pleasure.

When do we think class 67 operation starts.....

Out of interest, why isn't the DVT on the back end of the 67, or is the training procedure one at a time?

 

[The Planner]

Still not heard if they have been given the dispensation to run at SP speeds yet, unless someone on here knows different !!

 

[merlodlliw]

Really excellent pictures as always...the website is always a pleasure.

When do we think class 67 operation starts.....

Out of interest, why isn't the DVT on the back end of the 67, or is the training procedure one at a time?

TDK will know, he drives the class & DVT, as far as time table is concerned,some suggest start of May timetable, which seems sensible, which route is anyone's guess.

Bob
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Still not heard if they have been given the dispensation to run at SP speeds yet, unless someone on here knows different !!

Not heard anything myself.

 

[Rhydgaled]

Still not heard if they have been given the dispensation to run at SP speeds yet, unless someone on here knows different !!

I don't know the rules, but what I've read on the forums is that 175s use HST/MU/DMU differentials, not Sprinter (SP) ones. Since the 67s are hopefully replacing a 175, would it not be HST/DMU/MU differentials that they are trying to get the 67s cleared for, and surely a 67 is more likely to get cleared for one of these than an SP since Sprinters are lighter than 175s and hence even less like a 67 plus coaches.

 

[merlodlliw]

I don't know the rules, but what I've read on the forums is that 175s use HST/MU/DMU differentials, not Sprinter (SP) ones. Since the 67s are hopefully replacing a 175, would it not be HST/DMU/MU differentials that they are trying to get the 67s cleared for, and surely a 67 is more likely to get cleared for one of these than an SP since Sprinters are lighter than 175s and hence even less like a 67 plus coaches.

I am sure Planner will tell us, again no one knows which route the initial 67s will take,if it is replacing the 175 WAG2, it will be a total waste of stock,I appreciate IWJ signed off £3.5 millions to ATW for the Wrexham route, but ATW must rid itself of the 57s very soon, on another point if the 67s are running WAG2, the six hours downtime in Cardiff (Noon to 1800) must be addressed, in my opinion a total waste of resources

 

[The Planner]

I don't know the rules, but what I've read on the forums is that 175s use HST/MU/DMU differentials, not Sprinter (SP) ones. Since the 67s are hopefully replacing a 175, would it not be HST/DMU/MU differentials that they are trying to get the 67s cleared for, and surely a 67 is more likely to get cleared for one of these than an SP since Sprinters are lighter than 175s and hence even less like a 67 plus coaches.

MU was what I meant, I always mix them up.

 

[tbtc]

it is not a complete waste of taxpayers money, far from it, and it's helped reduced perceptions of a North - South divide in Wales

That was the main intention of the introduction of the WAG, so the Welsh government may consider it a huge success!

This is the problem with politics and politicians. They spend all this money, not to make any practical difference but to create a perception... it's a bit like the "sending out a strong message" guff that they come out with on other issues (rather than making any real difference to an issue).

P.S. What's a ned!?

A 'ned' is a Scottish term for a 'chav' as far as I can make out.

I found one definition:

The definition of NED is "Non-Educated Delinquent"

Which is a fairly apt definition of a chav wouldn't you say? As greenback says ned is a Scottish word for chav I think more prevelent around Glasgow but I'm happy to be corrected on that point

As a Scot I'd say that "ned" and "chav" are a bit different.

A chav, to me, suggests social asperation - you may be poor but you are still wearing (fake) Burberry, with (Argos) gold rings and drinking reassuringly expensive lager. Being a "chav" suggests some kind of "pretending to be what you're not".

A "ned" on the other hand is just shorthand for young urban poor (the "non educated delinquent" is a "backronym", like "council house and violent", which some people claim "chav" means - it's someone trying to work backwards and create a definition to a word).

To go vaguely back on topic, is there a Welsh equivalent word?

 

[Michael.Y]

To go vaguely back on topic, is there a Welsh equivalent word?

Sheep.

 

[TDK]

Out of interest, why isn't the DVT on the back end of the 67, or is the training procedure one at a time?

I heard that when it was refubished they decided that the TDM was the method for the DVT talking to the Loco however I doubt that this mistake has been made, unless you use converted Mk3 coaches you need a cable to run from the 67 jumper outlet to the DVT input as ATW have not got coaches with this in place this is probably the reason why the DVT was not in the formation. It can be done by running a cable through the coaches however I doubt they have thought of this for the training, the only other way would be to connect the DVT directly to the loco and to be honest this will not be of any use for handling due to weight and braking differences and I am sure with just one vehicle it would have to run at light loco speeds.

Until ATW get the refurbed coaching stock even if they have all their DVT's they will not be able to train the drivers efficiantly.
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I don't know the rules, but what I've read on the forums is that 175s use HST/MU/DMU differentials, not Sprinter (SP) ones. Since the 67s are hopefully replacing a 175, would it not be HST/DMU/MU differentials that they are trying to get the 67s cleared for, and surely a 67 is more likely to get cleared for one of these than an SP since Sprinters are lighter than 175s and hence even less like a 67 plus coaches.

It took ATW 2 years to get the SP speeds for 175's so don't hold your breath on the 67's ataining any enhancment, however if they pull their finger out, ATW that is there shouldn't be a problem if they compare themselves to others that use 67's

 

[jones_bangor]

It took ATW 2 years to get the SP speeds for 175's so don't hold your breath on the 67's ataining any enhancment, however if they pull their finger out, ATW that is there shouldn't be a problem if they compare themselves to others that use 67's

So 67s / DVT / Mk3 can run at the same speed as the current 57 / Mk2 consist?

 

[The Planner]

Yes, but it will cause problems if they want to use them on WAG2, as that is in a 175 path.

 

[Minilad]

I found one definition:

The definition of NED is "Non-Educated Delinquent"

I think NED in this context means train spotter / enthusiast / basher

 

[Drimnagh Road]

I think NED in this context means train spotter / enthusiast / basher

NED in train enthusiast terms = New Engine Desperado.

Any class of loco, any number, as long as it's "in the book".

 

[krus_aragon]

So 67s / DVT / Mk3 can run at the same speed as the current 57 / Mk2 consist?

I seemed to recall that the original Gerallt Gymro consist had a slightly more severe speed restriction, due to it having few carriages, only one of which is a MKIII (with better brakes). Unless that restriction was waived at some point in the past, a pure MKIII rake of the same length should be able to run faster. (But I'm not able to say whether the 67's higher axle loadings negate this.)

 

[merlodlliw]

I seemed to recall that the original Gerallt Gymro consist had a slightly more severe speed restriction, due to it having few carriages, only one of which is a MKIII (with better brakes). Unless that restriction was waived at some point in the past, a pure MKIII rake of the same length should be able to run faster. (But I'm not able to say whether the 67's higher axle loadings negate this.)

The original had to tow another 57 due to braking situations at the start of the service, the second 57 was the reason the stock could replace a 175 & run via Wrexham on the Saturday the kitchen car was taken to Canton for repairs.

In the past did we always have the same Bo Bo/ Co Co loading problems? or is it the WAG conveys so few carriages, yes I did say carriages.

Bob

 

[The Informer]

Still not heard if they have been given the dispensation to run at SP speeds yet, unless someone on here knows different !!

I'm 99% sure it was signed off last july for them to run at MU differentials. I actually posted about it.

 

[merlodlliw]

I'm 99% sure it was signed off last july for them to run at MU differentials. I actually posted about it.

I don't recall seeing this, I presume it will be Network Rail who sign it off, but which route, Crewe or Wrexham?


Bob

 

[The Planner]

Wouldn't surprise me, the appendix says nothing about it though and until we get told they can officially then I expect there will be a bun fight as we will reject it !!

 

[merlodlliw]

Wouldn't surprise me, the appendix says nothing about it though and until we get told they can officially then I expect there will be a bun fight as we will reject it !!

If/when or never. Does this apply to both routes Planner.

Bob

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

That is true Jones but those trains are franchised and not costing the Welsh taxpayer extra money

As I am sure you know, the Welsh don't pay extra taxes for anything (except for plastic bags!).
It's all UK money (doled out by the WAG).

 

[TDK]

I don't recall seeing this, I presume it will be Network Rail who sign it off, but which route, Crewe or Wrexham?


Bob

It certainly wasn't Wrexham to Salop Bob

 

[Michael.Y]

Tin Tin hauling the WAG northbound today... Also a blue 67 was skulking around Shrewsbury at 3:15ish... Driver training I'd assume.

 

[merlodlliw]

Tin Tin hauling the WAG northbound today... Also a blue 67 was skulking around Shrewsbury at 3:15ish... Driver training I'd assume.

another pic of the 67 training at The Junction here http://www.nwrail.org.uk/nwnews.htm


Bob

 

[Michael.Y]

another pic of the 67 training at The Junction here http://www.nwrail.org.uk/nwnews.htm


Bob

Ah - 67003 IS in blue. I thought only 67001 and 002 were.. This was the one I saw today at Salop. Made a hell of a noise, and everyone on the platform was watching it.

 

[merlodlliw]

Ah - 67003 IS in blue. I thought only 67001 and 002 were.. This was the one I saw today at Salop. Made a hell of a noise, and everyone on the platform was watching it.

Better keep the 67003 noise bit under your hat, or the 57 brigade will be contacting Shropshire noise abatement,

 

[jones_bangor]

Tin Tin hauling the WAG northbound today... Also a blue 67 was skulking around Shrewsbury at 3:15ish... Driver training I'd assume.

Yep...was surprised to see the Virgin 57 come into Crewe with Gerald (I was on way home from Birmingham).