VTEC "225" (91 + Mk IV) set in reverse order?

[7Pinza]

Noticed a VTEC set heading south yesterday with the 91 at southern end, and again heading north on Sunday afternoon (think it was 1S22 KX - Edinburgh).
Not sure of the number, just saw it flash by at a level crossing.

 

[skyhigh]

Yes, I saw it at King's Cross on Saturday afternoon when I was waiting for my train. Unfortunately I don't make a habit of noting numbers so I couldn't tell you which set it was.

 

[yorkie]

Noticed a VTEC set heading south yesterday with the 91 at southern end, and again heading north on Sunday afternoon (think it was 1S22 KX - Edinburgh).
Not sure of the number, just saw it flash by at a level crossing.

I'm sure it'll be turned soon, either at Edinburgh (round the 'Edinburgh suburban line' on an empty coaching stock movement [ECS]) or at Newcastle (you can head southbound by initially heading either west or east, using either bridge).

(I'm not sure if you are asking for the number or not? If you are, the place for that is: TOPS Request Thread)

 

[signallerscot]

I'm sure it'll be turned soon, either at Edinburgh (round the 'Edinburgh suburban line' on an empty coaching stock movement [ECS]) or at Newcastle (you can head southbound by initially heading either west or east, using either bridge).

You'd be hard pushed to turn it on the sub; it isn't electrified. Turning is via the High Level bridge at Newcastle only.

 

[7Pinza]

Just curious how it had turned, can't recall seeing one this way round in recent years. I know there's a few places it could happen.

 

[Kite159]

If it is the same one I'm thinking of, it worked the 1705 Leeds to London Kings Cross yesterday afternoon.

 

[ash39]

Apparently a few are running like this at the moment, hence so many sightings!

 

[yorkie]

Just curious how it had turned, can't recall seeing one this way round in recent years. I know there's a few places it could happen.

Most likely it went out of Newcastle via a different bridge to the one it arrived on.

 

[800001]

Points problems this morning on the King Edward Bridge at Newcastle, therefore 4 or 5 services departed via High Level Bridge.

Sets to be turned again tonight on their return workings.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

1E05 is thunderbird hauled today, dont think its linked tho...

 

[DarloRich]

Just curious how it had turned, can't recall seeing one this way round in recent years. I know there's a few places it could happen.

happens all the time - most obvious turning point: Newcastle

 

[GW43125]

1E05 is thunderbird hauled today, dont think its linked tho...

Brake fault on the DVT apparently. Tipped out at Peterborough and ran straight into Bounds Green via Hertford Loop.

 

[GW43125]

happens all the time - most obvious turning point: Newcastle

When there are Newcastle-Edinburgh shuttles due to Engineering they often turn the sets round-as some of us know coming in with first at the London end into Waverley platform 1, 2 or 7 is a bloody long walk!

 

[route:oxford]

Maybe the train should always reverse direction at Newcastle so First Class is at the correct end at both Edinburgh and London?

 

[Mag_seven]

When there are Newcastle-Edinburgh shuttles due to Engineering they often turn the sets round-as some of us know coming in with first at the London end into Waverley platform 1, 2 or 7 is a bloody long walk!

The firsts are normally at the London end aren't they?

 

[221129]

The firsts are normally at the London end aren't they?

Correct.

 

[Mag_seven]

Correct.

Exactly so why is it an issue with the poster concerned?

 

[GW43125]

Exactly so why is it an issue with the poster concerned?

I was saying in the sense that when they are self-contained NCL-EDB shuttles they turn them so first is at the Edinburgh end as the London ends of Waverley platforms 1,2 and 7 are quite a walk to civilisation.

 

[Kite159]

I was saying in the sense that when they are self-contained NCL-EDB shuttles they turn them so first is at the Edinburgh end as the London ends of Waverley platforms 1,2 and 7 are quite a walk to civilisation.

And then laugh when the service goes into either platform 19 or 20 so FC passengers have a long walk

 

[Darandio]

Maybe the train should always reverse direction at Newcastle so First Class is at the correct end at both Edinburgh and London?

Due to the layout, you can only reverse the set when going southbound.

Heading south, you can take the country end out over the high level bridge. Heading north, no matter which route you take around, you'll always face the same way.

 

[najaB]

Due to the layout, you can only reverse the set when going southbound.

Heading south, you can take the country end out over the high level bridge. Heading north, no matter which route you take around, you'll always face the same way.

Isn't it the other way round?

 

[Darandio]

Isn't it the other way round?

No. You come in from the north DVT first, change to 91 and go out over the high level, around the back and then head south.

 

[GW43125]

Due to the layout, you can only reverse the set when going southbound.

Or drive the 91 round the HLB before stopping at Newcastle and move into the DVT. Back north you go.

 

[najaB]

No. You come in from the north DVT first, change to 91 and go out over the high level, around the back and then head south.

I figured out what you meant - when you said north/south you meant the direction of movement on leaving Newcastle. Because you can arrive into Newcastle via the High Level Bridge as well - XC has at least one daily northbound service that does this.

 

[GW43125]

And then laugh when the service goes into either platform 19 or 20 so FC passengers have a long walk

It's not impossible- at times there seems no rhyme or reason to the platforming at Waverley

 

[Darandio]

Or drive the 91 round the HLB before stopping at Newcastle and move into the DVT. Back north you go.

Not sure how I didn't even consider that!

Ah well.

 

[GW43125]

Not sure how I didn't even consider that!

Ah well.

Put it down to tiredness. :P

If you really wanted to, I don't see why you couldn't turn an HST via the sub lines. For example: arrive at Waverley, reverse, round the sub, come out the north facing connection and continue north.

Coat collected.

 

[najaB]

If you really wanted to, I don't see why you couldn't turn an HST via the sub lines. For example: arrive at Waverley, reverse, round the sub, come out the north facing connection and continue north.

Can and do. When the lines between Haymarket and Waverley are closed. Though most commonly they serve Haymarket as well so it only runs in reverse formation between Waverley and Haymarket.

 

[yorkie]

Like Birmingham New Street, Newcastle Central station is on a west-east axis.

However you can only go north, towards Berwick, by heading east out of the station.

You can go anywhere else (ie. towards Durham & London, Hexham & Carlisle or Sunderland & Hartlepool) heading west (King Edward VII Bridge) or east (high level bridge)

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/54.9662/-1.6121

 

[GW43125]

Can and do. When the lines between Haymarket and Waverley are closed. Though most commonly they serve Haymarket as well so it only runs in reverse formation between Waverley and Haymarket.

You learn something new every day. Which platform is it at Haymarket that's reversible now?