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virgin's railcard easements

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dan_atki

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it is mentioned in one of Virgin's leaflets (I have been looking!), but it only says *most* Virgin trains, you have to ask them for details of each specific journey.

By that I assume it is referring to the technical detail that the flow must be priced by Virgin Trains.

In this case, a Milton Keynes to Euston Any Permitted would not be valid on the 0919, but the Virgin Only would be.
 
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Isn't this no different to a First employee stopping you reach the coach terminal for a Stagecoach bus? It's nothing to do with the company operating the barrier, and to prevent someone who is NOT their customer, from using a perfectly valid ticket on a rival operator and attempting to extract additional money from that customer is totally unacceptable. It would not be accepted in ANY other industry. So why are they allowed to get away with it on the railways?

I'd write to Virgin asking what steps they will take to ensure LM do not act this way again.

I'd also write to LM stating that you were a customer of Virgin's, not theirs, and their staff had no right to obstruct you. I would inform LM that such actions are less likely to make me choose to use LM tickets in future, due to the behaviour of their staff. I would ask what steps they will take to ensure that staff look up the relevant restrictions, not either make them up or try to guess them!

If no satisfactory response, write to your MP stating that you are disappointed at the lack of integrated public transport, and is the Governments idea of integrated transport that a representative of a company who is nothing to do with the company you are travelling with is able to prevent you travelling on your booked service, and what are they going to do about it?

Don't accept being fobbed off by either company.

Be polite, but firm and assertive in the letter you write. You are welcome to PM them to me for proof reading if you like, I will be happy to assist.

Although the LM employees at MKC clearly acted incorrectly, there is an excellent member of LM staff on here who may be able to assist....
 

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Doesn't the easement only apply to Virgin set fares? - if so Milton Keynes - Euston is set by LMR.


I checked this myself a few months ago and was told that the easement applies to any VT service regardless of who sets the fare.

However, it conversely does not apply to services run by other operators where the flow is priced by VT.
 

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That is right, it's advertised as such.

Admittedly there is a secret rule that is not in the public domain that contradicts this, but it is totally unenforceable and, in my experience, not enforced anyway. (This has been done to death in other topics, not everyone agrees, but no-one has ever produced anything in the public domain to say that only certain Off Peak tickets have the easement, so I rest my case)
 

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I've got something written down on the back of an envelope that is buried at the bottom of a filing cabinet where I lost the key, which I think you'll find proves that you're all totally wrong. :)
 

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but no-one has ever produced anything in the public domain to say that only certain Off Peak tickets have the easement

The only place I have seen Virgin publicise this easement is in one of their leaflets - and that does say it only applies to certain off-peak tickets.

It doesn't tell you which ones, but I guess that wouldn't fit in the leaflet.
 

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I do wonder if these barriers have actually perhaps been set to reject all Virgin only tickets as my Virgin Traveller tickets were rejected both on arrival and departure when I went to visit a friend in Milton Keynes a couple of Saturdays ago. Thankfully I didn't have any arguments with barrier staff but clearly the barriers aren't set up correctly to accept all valid tickets at Milton Keynes Central (are any?!).

It seems to work during off peak hours for on my journeys from EUS -> MKC in the past, on both the off peak return(virgin trains only) and off peak day single (virgin trains only)

Seems to be a bit of a mystery as to how the barriers operate.. Few months back on a saturday I went down from MKC to EUS with my family, and my brother used a day return ticket he bought few days earlier for a train from Didcot Parkway to Leeds (I think it was Leeds, anyway it was somewhere that is no where near MKC). And the barrier let him through! Of course we all had valid MKC -> EUS tickets in hand :P He just wanted to see whether it'd work.

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Just a thought, with the situation I had the other day with the LM barrier staff, do I have the right to ask for entry if I believe the ticket is valid? I guess what I mean is, does the guard have the right to refuse entry through the barriers if the validity of the ticket sold and operated by another company is in question and neither side can provide proof of their point? They can easily confirm it with a member of virgin staff when the train arrives and I could've boarded the train without getting a new ticket! >_<;
 
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I've got something written down on the back of an envelope that is buried at the bottom of a filing cabinet where I lost the key, which I think you'll find proves that you're all totally wrong. :)

With a sign on the door saying "beware of the leopard"?
 
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