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Oldrowley

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Whilst we're on the subject of horns, the Class 91's on the ECML usually sound the normal two tones but occasionally emit a very pleasant chime type sound. Can anyone enlighten me please?

Also, I believe that drivers of the DMU's when new, way back, were frequently in bother for playing 'On Ilkley Moor 'baht hat' on the two tones!
 
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Whilst we're on the subject of horns, the Class 91's on the ECML usually sound the normal two tones but occasionally emit a very pleasant chime type sound. Can anyone enlighten me please?

Also, I believe that drivers of the DMU's when new, way back, were frequently in bother for playing 'On Ilkley Moor 'baht hat' on the two tones!

The chime sound is from the DVT and the 2 tone from the loco
 

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The chime sound is from the DVT and the 2 tone from the loco

Thanks for that TDK. Is there a technical reason for this or is it just an anomaly. Either way, the chime is very pleasing to the ear imo.
 

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Whilst we're on the subject of horns, the Class 91's on the ECML usually sound the normal two tones but occasionally emit a very pleasant chime type sound. Can anyone enlighten me please?

Also, I believe that drivers of the DMU's when new, way back, were frequently in bother for playing 'On Ilkley Moor 'baht hat' on the two tones!

Still happens now - heard at Dawlish recently.
 

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It can, as you say, be easy to "mirror-Signal-manouver" without actually thinking about any of those things.

Yeah but if you don't at least think about it how can you be sure you did it in the right order? We are not automatically programmed to do it you know....
 

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Did anyone else get taught this? My driving instructor certainly didn't!

I'm glad it isn't just me (looking at above responses) - it is a fair while (OK, about 5 years, it's long enough :P) but I think my first instructor, who was fairly newly qualified at the time, said not to signal but my second instructor (the first one was expecting a baby so came a point where I had to change to someone else) who was more experienced and had been an examiner previously, told me to just signal anyway (IIRC that's the way round it was)
 
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I have been told it's an advanced driving technique, and I can see the point.

The purpose of using your indicators is to signal to other road users (including pedestrians) where you are going. If there is no-one around there really isn't any point signalling. Previously I raised the point that you might have failed to see someone, but the response was that a failure to see indicates a failure to look in the first place. Given that one of the pillars of advanced driving is observation, if you feel the need to indicate "just in case" there has to be a question mark over your abilities to see and observe what is going on around you.

Enfield Lock is a good example on when drivers don't use horns (another reason why I hated NXEA) as people are often in front of the yellow line and the trains come in oblivious to the people on the platform. The drivers never sound the horn and I think it's a bit awkward, too with a level crossing next to it.

That's just so much rubbish.

Enfield Lock is on a dead straight piece of track with a CCTV monitored crossing equipped with full barriers and a station footbridge (I believe there may also be a pedestrian underpass associated with the road crossing). In the normal course of events there simply is no need to sound the warning horn because there is more than adequate warning of approaching trains for anyone who cares to look over their shoulders.

Most people who are over the yellow line quickly move back when they realise a train is approaching and don't need the additional warning of the horn. But if someone fails to move back over the line they will indeed get a good long blast.

If you believe that this is insufficient, please can you outline your reasons.

O L Leigh
 

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Thanks for that TDK. Is there a technical reason for this or is it just an anomaly. Either way, the chime is very pleasing to the ear imo.

No technical reason, the Mk3 DVT's ahve the same sort of chime horn, just the way they were designed
 
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