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There's a reason Wemyss Bay was a 5-star station in Simon Jenkins' Britain's 100 Best Railway Stations...!
I presume there's also a reason Huddersfield was only given four stars... my only criticism of the book :lol:
(That's not to say Wemyss Bay does not deserve its five stars - one of the finest examples of functional flamboyance in the land, to my mind. But Huddersfield deserves at least four and a half.)
 
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I hope this doesn't sound daft, but the likes of King's Cross and St Pancras, you can't actually SEE the building, not in a way you can see the frontage of, say, Huddersfield, or Centraal in Amsterdam, as they are very large and tucked away adjacent to other large buildings. They are both lovely inside of course (the exact opposite of Euston). Could also apply to Victoria in Manchester, you cannot get back far enough to see the whole of the frontage.

So as for the OP, I would only consider a station to be the "flagship" if it can be fully appreciated from both inside and out. York?? If it has to be in London, Waterloo??
 

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There are so many possibilities, I could give at least one example for each region of Great Britain:

London: Kings Cross/St Pancras
These are two stations, pick one! :lol:
South East: Reading
I'd say Brighton over Reading, but that might just be personal bias. Brighton may not have 'Intercity' trains but it does have a wonderful sense of arrival, especially if you've come from the East Branch and get the view from the viaduct.
East of England: Peterborough
Not Cambridge or Norwich?
 

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I presume there's also a reason Huddersfield was only given four stars... my only criticism of the book :lol:
(That's not to say Wemyss Bay does not deserve its five stars - one of the finest examples of functional flamboyance in the land, to my mind. But Huddersfield deserves at least four and a half.)
Further back up the thread, I mentioned some of Huddersfield's shortcomings- mostly down to unsympathetic modifications such as the ugly lift shafts added several years ago. As a proud Huddersfield lad, it pains me to say that some of the staff let it down too. Earlier today two members of staff had decided to stand around having a conversation right at the top of the stairs to the subway on platform 1, blocking the way of people trying to use those stairs... and then the gateline staff were doing their usual "block half the gates whilst chatting among themselves" performance. I'm not suggesting that they bow and curtsey to passengers, but a bit of spatial/situational awareness would go a long way.
 

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Bow Brickill might rival Berney Arms station-wise

But in the smaller station category somewhere like Kemble just a perfect British station or one of the beatifully looked after stations that have been 'adopted' by communities with flower tubs, bookshelves etc ?
 

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Fair enough, don't think I've ever stood there! To be fair I reckon the vast majority of visitors would think "a splendid building" but not a railway station? Other than the tiny roundel, there's not much to give it away from that spot. It is spectacular though, so I stand corrected!

Thinking back, I can't recall using any other entrance than the one at "the side" that you arrive at through walking from Euston, or arriving by tube. I'll open my eyes next time and walk round a bit!

EDIT - that Costa place and the tube netrance look out of place. Take it they've been added on, and done very badly too?
 

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I hope this doesn't sound daft, but the likes of King's Cross and St Pancras, you can't actually SEE the building, not in a way you can see the frontage of, say, Huddersfield, or Centraal in Amsterdam, as they are very large and tucked away adjacent to other large buildings.
The sort-of recent King's Cross Square rehab changed that. You certainly notice the grace of the semicircular arches from the road. Equally walking along Euston Road gives a great view of St Pancras, not just the specific view Bald Rick has linked to.
You could make the argument that the bus station outside Victoria spoils it's frontage, but then it's mixed identities spoil the grand frontage anyway.
So as for the OP, I would only consider a station to be the "flagship" if it can be fully appreciated from both inside and out. York?? If it has to be in London, Waterloo??
York from outside is not that grand, it's just a portico for the cab rank. Newcastle is more impressive than York from outside imho.
 

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The sort-of recent King's Cross Square rehab changed that. You certainly notice the grace of the semicircular arches from the road. Equally walking along Euston Road gives a great view of St Pancras, not just the specific view Bald Rick has linked to.
You could make the argument that the bus station outside Victoria spoils it's frontage, but then it's mixed identities spoil the grand frontage anyway.

York from outside is not that grand, it's just a portico for the cab rank. Newcastle is more impressive than York from outside imho.
Yeah, as I've alluded to above, depends on your viewing spot. Have never been to Newcastle so missed out on that. Also, a long time since I've been to York (passed through a few times).

If a foreigner was asked to quickly name one British rail station, think it would be King's X (mainly due to a book/film)?
 

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EDIT - that Costa place and the tube netrance look out of place. Take it they've been added on, and done very badly too?

Reasonably sure they are original. They’ve been there as long as I can remember. Where Costa is now there used to be a half decent chippy before the rebuild.
 

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Don't let us forget Sheffield Park. Not just a lovely example of a country station, but also the home of the very first preserved standard gauge railway in the world.
Even on the Bluebell Id describe Horsted Keynes as superior to Sheffield Park!
 

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I hope this doesn't sound daft, but the likes of King's Cross and St Pancras, you can't actually SEE the building, not in a way you can see the frontage of, say, Huddersfield, or Centraal in Amsterdam, as they are very large and tucked away adjacent to other large buildings. They are both lovely inside of course (the exact opposite of Euston). Could also apply to Victoria in Manchester, you cannot get back far enough to see the whole of the frontage.

So as for the OP, I would only consider a station to be the "flagship" if it can be fully appreciated from both inside and out. York?? If it has to be in London, Waterloo??
I get that. Even St Pancras is missing a grand entrance, the hotel, whilst spectacular, and clearly part of the station, does make it difficult to find how to get inside. And being so close to a busy road means you can't stand back far enough to really appreciate it, or get to it without working hard to cross multiple Pelican crossings, that never seem to be in tge right place. King's Cross works better, as it is set back, and has a proper entrance, but Paddington really doesn't (unless I'm missing an angle somewhere!). Waterloo also feels like you come in through a side door on the wrong level.

A well designed terminus should really have a public square outside, and a grand entrance, so you can truly appreciate the building from inside and out, and make you feel like your journey has really started.
 

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These are two stations, pick one! :lol:

I'd say Brighton over Reading, but that might just be personal bias. Brighton may not have 'Intercity' trains but it does have a wonderful sense of arrival, especially if you've come from the East Branch and get the view from the viaduct.

Not Cambridge or Norwich?

Agree about Brighton. Truly the Belle of the Southern.
 

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I get that. Even St Pancras is missing a grand entrance, the hotel, whilst spectacular, and clearly part of the station, does make it difficult to find how to get inside. And being so close to a busy road means you can't stand back far enough to really appreciate it, or get to it without working hard to cross multiple Pelican crossings, that never seem to be in tge right place. King's Cross works better, as it is set back, and has a proper entrance, but Paddington really doesn't (unless I'm missing an angle somewhere!). Waterloo also feels like you come in through a side door on the wrong level.

Completely agree with all of this. Kings + is under appreciated because of the rather grander station next door, but architecturally very impressive in its own right.
 

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These are two stations, pick one! :lol:
Seeing as they’re right next to each other, I would argue that they are one single complex. The Underground certainly thinks so :D
I'd say Brighton over Reading, but that might just be personal bias. Brighton may not have 'Intercity' trains but it does have a wonderful sense of arrival, especially if you've come from the East Branch and get the view from the viaduct.
Reading has better connections to the rest of the country though. From Brighton, the only big cities you can catch a fast, direct train to are London, Portsmouth and Southampton.
Not Cambridge or Norwich?
These might win based on size and grandeur alone, but I picked Peterborough because it is also on an Intercity mainline and has better links with the rest of the country.
 

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Seeing as they’re right next to each other, I would argue that they are one single complex. The Underground certainly thinks so :D

The surface level stations categorically are not. A road separates them!
 

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I would say St Pancras, if arriving by train from the continent its where you arrive. Externally the frontage is really the Hotel, but no less impressive, and for someone of my age who travelled through it a few times to Sheffield in the early 80s it was a dingy nasty place, the transformation is one of the success stories in recycling a Victorian structure and making it fit for the 21st Century Equally Kings Cross next door has undergone an similar upgrade and is a much nicer place than it was in the 70s and 80s, and clearing the area in front of the station and adding the modern extension at the side works well. Paddington would then be No. 3 on my list for London

Looking outside London: York would have to feature, with most of the original 1877 station surviving, albeit with some major repairs over the years particularly after WW2. Its position as a major junction on the ECML and its association with the National Railway Museum means it is important both in terms of rail travel and rail history. The only slight negative is that having the road and bus stops right outside means that its difficult to get an unobstucted view of the frontage.

There are lots of other interesting stations, but these wouldn't qualify as flagship, e.g. Manchester Oxford Road for its use of laminated timber, Canary Wharf, some small stations that have remained as is since they were built.
 

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A well designed terminus should really have a public square outside, and a grand entrance, so you can truly appreciate the building from inside and out, and make you feel like your journey has really started.
Liverpool Lime St fares quite well from that point of view, after the recent facelift of the facade.
A pity the surroundings are quite naff, excepting St George's Hall opposite.
That giant video screen devalues the whole area.

Until HS2 stations emerge, our flagship rebuilds would I suppose be Reading and Birmingham New St.
I also like Sheffield for its impressive frontage.
 

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Love to suggest Kyle of Lochalsh, but it's the location that's stunning rather than the very ordinary station itself. But in it's own right is it a "flagship" station? I'm sure many non-Brits have heard of it, Micheal Palin mad a programme (a series?) about it, it's cetrainly on a lot of train buff's bucket list...anyone??
 

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Love to suggest Kyle of Lochalsh, but it's the location that's stunning rather than the very ordinary station itself. But in it's own right is it a "flagship" station? I'm sure many non-Brits have heard of it, Micheal Palin mad a programme (a series?) about it, it's cetrainly on a lot of train buff's bucket list...anyone??
The "Confessions of a Train Spotter" TV programme by Michael Palin, first aired in late 1980 (as part of the "Great Train Journeys of the World" series fronted by various different presenters) certainly made out Kyle of Lochalsh to be an iconic rail-served destination.

But nominating it as "UK's flagship station", not a chance!
 

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What about approaching it from a different angle?

Which station best represents the British railway network in microcosm? Developed mostly in the 1830s, and expanded through "Railway Mania" to reach its zenith in the 1930s. In the 1960s it was (controversially) cut back significantly, and now some of the cutbacks are being reversed to handle new expansions. Based on this, I would suggest Euston... ;):lol:
 

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What about approaching it from a different angle?

Which station best represents the British railway network in microcosm? Developed mostly in the 1830s, and expanded through "Railway Mania" to reach its zenith in the 1930s. In the 1960s it was (controversially) cut back significantly, and now some of the cutbacks are being reversed to handle new expansions. Based on this, I would suggest Euston... ;):lol:
Blackpool North would be a good one, although built in 1846, and spared the Beeching Axe (although Beeching recommended its closure).
 

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The surface level stations categorically are not. A road separates them!
IIRC if you want to avoid crossing the road you can walk through the ticket hall of the underground station instead. Still I agree they are clearly distinct stations despite sharing an underground station.

I get that. Even St Pancras is missing a grand entrance, the hotel, whilst spectacular, and clearly part of the station, does make it difficult to find how to get inside.
Yeah. the grand entrance on the front has a sign saying "Hotel and residents only". I'm not sure if it's possible to enter the station through the hotel but it's certainly not encouraged. People wanting to actually use the station as a station have to either walk through the tube station or walk round the side and enter through an entrance in the modern parts of the building.
 

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These might win based on size and grandeur alone, but I picked Peterborough because it is also on an Intercity mainline and has better links with the rest of the country.

Have you ever been to Peterborough station? Even in the height of a warm summer's afternoon, it's a cold depressing ugly place to be. Nobody would take a first-time visitor to the East of England to Peterborough station and describe it as the most impressive station in the region. Cambridge is far more attractive, and Norwich is also on an InterCity mainline.

Yeah. the grand entrance on the front has a sign saying "Hotel and residents only". I'm not sure if it's possible to enter the station through the hotel but it's certainly not encouraged. People wanting to actually use the station as a station have to either walk through the tube station or walk round the side and enter through an entrance in the modern parts of the building.

Strange - I've used this grand entrance several times - Google Streetview - not as convenient as the other entrances, but good for an agreed meeting point.
 

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EDIT - that Costa place and the tube netrance look out of place. Take it they've been added on, and done very badly too?
Here is more of an 'as built' image. The arches that are now Costa and the tube entrance are original. What has changed is that the two arches between them have been replaced by stairs providing a connection to Pancras Road. Plus whatever that monstrosity ibuilt on top is.
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Interesting photo. Thanks for posting that. The temporary hoardings and notice board outside the rather more modest Great Northern Hotel on the right would seem to indicate that it too had just been newly completed....or extended?
 

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Interesting photo. Thanks for posting that. The temporary hoardings and notice board outside the rather more modest Great Northern Hotel on the right would seem to indicate that it too had just been newly completed....or extended?
The GN Hotel opened in 1854, St Pancras in 1868, so an extension is more likely. Although it could be connected to work on the Underground station, which opened in 1863 but was expanded in 1868 with the City Widened Lines.
 
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